Doug or Randy?

[Villadroid]

So there we have the work of other people used to make money for those who did not produce it and only own the means of production - the website.

Take the example of the Huffington Post - the material was provided entirely free by bloggers and it was sold for $315m.

So the fact that you don't pay for content does not mean no one is being exploited, or that no one is confiscating the surplus value produced by someone else.

Sounds like capitalism to me.

Right, so advertisers and the funders of the website have been exploited, and the sweat and blood of the web developers spills in into the drains of the Daily Mirror offices.  Sweat and blood that could have been expended reporting on Katy Price's new shagpiece.

No.

Without content the website has nothing to attract readers and without readers there are no advertisers and without advertisers there is no money to pay the web developers or to pay those who provide the servers.

[Irish villain]

The general football fan isn't going to be logging into our forums to learn about what's happening at Villa so for that reason  I thought it was a good piece that moved beyond the usual, lazy narrative.

[E I Adio]

The general football fan isn't going to be logging into our forums to learn about what's happening at Villa so for that reason  I thought it was a good piece that moved beyond the usual, lazy narrative.

Indeed.

[not3bad]

So there we have the work of other people used to make money for those who did not produce it and only own the means of production - the website.

Take the example of the Huffington Post - the material was provided entirely free by bloggers and it was sold for $315m.

So the fact that you don't pay for content does not mean no one is being exploited, or that no one is confiscating the surplus value produced by someone else.

Sounds like capitalism to me.

Right, so advertisers and the funders of the website have been exploited, and the sweat and blood of the web developers spills in into the drains of the Daily Mirror offices.  Sweat and blood that could have been expended reporting on Katy Price's new shagpiece.

No.

Without content the website has nothing to attract readers and without readers there are no advertisers and without advertisers there is no money to pay the web developers or to pay those who provide the servers.

I'm not quite sure what you inferred from my sarcasm, but you read something I didn't mean to imply.  I will refrain from further comment.

[Chris Smith]

You get it so often with football journalism, particularly at the populist end of the market. The reader agrees with the writer and says it's a well written article, if he disagrees it's ill thought out and poorly constructed.

That doesn't just apply to football does it?

Of course not, but that doesn't alter the argument. 

[peter w]

When journo's started picking up the story that McLeish was sacked because he was poor at his job and not because we just disliked where he come from, we almost to a person sighed a sigh of relief that at last they understood. There was vindication for our annoyance and dislike of Mcleish. Now, The Mirror has done a piece that makes us think, 'thank-feck you understand' and yet there is still a quibble of who is saying it and whether them being capitalists nullifies the point which is spot on.

Or, maybe not spot on. But I think it is.

[E I Adio]

When journo's started picking up the story that McLeish was sacked because he was poor at his job and not because we just disliked where he come from, we almost to a person sighed a sigh of relief that at last they understood. There was vindication for our annoyance and dislike of Mcleish. Now, The Mirror has done a piece that makes us think, 'thank-feck you understand' and yet there is still a quibble of who is saying it and whether them being capitalists nullifies the point which is spot on.

Or, maybe not spot on. But I think it is.

So do I.

Concerning the media's take on our reaction to TSM when he joined us, I was thinking in an idle moment (a fairly frequent occurrence these days) if he had been a decent manager, surely we would have all been delighted to have him as it would have meant that we had got one over on our greatest rivals. The fact that he got the reaction he did could only have meant one thing. That he was not a decent manager and yet the media missed that for a whole season. Journalists can be so thick. (Damon excepted of course)

[Zakk Fatt]

Doug loves the Villa, he is Villa through and through, yes we berated him for saying no to glory signings, we give him stick for the best part of twenty five years for being our chairman and showing little ambition in our eyes on the Holte BUT all our teams with the exception of our relegation team were better equipped, stronger, more disciplined and more credible than the poor lads we see running around the pitch like headless chickens without a leader every matchday right now.

Yes Liverpool was a good result (lucky for us Liverpool were off form that day), we beat Man City away because they hadnt done thier homework, Man U was a great performance until they sussed us out, Arsenal was a result but Chelsea, Spurs, Wigan and Bradford found us out big time with Southampton bossing us about on Saturday.

The Capitol One Cup is a mere distraction we look like throwing away.

I can't remember it being this desperate, even McLeish's team were better than this and they were complete tripe.

We can't blame the players they just aren't premier league players (yet, but one day some of them will be), we can't blame the manager and we are stuck with Lerner so prepare for the Championship so we can play the kids and let them learn how to play gritty hard football like a battle hardened team.  When we come back up (eventually) then maybe, just maybe we will have a Premier league set of players once again.

Alternatively Randy, break the bank and keep us up by buying the experience we need to survive, only problem is - who in thier right mind would come and play for us who is already at the top of thier game in the Premier League, La Liga, Bundesleague, Series A.  I cant think of anyone, I await to be surprised.

If Bradford get an away goal then at least we can concentrate on the league!!!!

[eastie]

Doug loves the Villa, he is Villa through and through, yes we berated him for saying no to glory signings, we give him stick for the best part of twenty five years for being our chairman and showing little ambition in our eyes on the Holte BUT all our teams with the exception of our relegation team were better equipped, stronger, more disciplined and more credible than the poor lads we see running around the pitch like headless chickens without a leader every matchday right now.

Yes Liverpool was a good result (lucky for us Liverpool were off form that day), we beat Man City away because they hadnt done thier homework, Man U was a great performance until they sussed us out, Arsenal was a result but Chelsea, Spurs, Wigan and Bradford found us out big time with Southampton bossing us about on Saturday.

The Capitol One Cup is a mere distraction we look like throwing away.

I can't remember it being this desperate, even McLeish's team were better than this and they were complete tripe.

We can't blame the players they just aren't premier league players (yet, but one day some of them will be), we can't blame the manager and we are stuck with Lerner so prepare for the Championship so we can play the kids and let them learn how to play gritty hard football like a battle hardened team.  When we come back up (eventually) then maybe, just maybe we will have a Premier league set of players once again.

Alternatively Randy, break the bank and keep us up by buying the experience we need to survive, only problem is - who in thier right mind would come and play for us who is already at the top of thier game in the Premier League, La Liga, Bundesleague, Series A.  I cant think of anyone, I await to be surprised.

If Bradford get an away goal then at least we can concentrate on the league!!!!

Welcome zakk - good opening post.

[sonlyme]

Doug loves the Villa, he is Villa through and through...

I can't remember it being this desperate, even McLeish's team were better than this and they were complete tripe.

Randy, break the bank and keep us up by buying the experience we need to survive,
If Bradford get an away goal then at least we can concentrate on the league!!!!

Welcome Zakk

Doug was Villa thru and thru - except of course when he was Blues thru and thru.  But one thing is sure - Doug was always Doug's best interests thru and thru.

We may have gangling fawns as defenders but our good results and performances have been anything but lucky - not once during an entire season under TSM did I see football played as well as we have at times this season.

As for Randy breaking the bank - I think Martin already did that - then tried to glue it back together so no-one would notice - but they did.  I still can't believe that some folk think Lerner is tight - or is somehow holding the club back.

We are where we are.

We have to believe that Lambert will sort them out and start getting more good performances out of them than the bad ones.

[pestria]

[quote sonlyme]

As for Randy breaking the bank - I think Martin already did that - then tried to glue it back together so no-one would notice - but they did.  I still can't believe that some folk think Lerner is tight - or is somehow holding the club back.

We are where we are.

We have to believe that Lambert will sort them out and start getting more good performances out of them than the bad ones.
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I think people worry Lerner is incompetent and uninterested rather than tight. 

We recognise spending couldn't continue in the same uncontrolled way.   But let's be clear here, it's  a near suicidal policy to rely on Lambert sorting this out without better players. 

Penny wise and pound foolish springs to mind.

[Villain1874]

Neither of them...
I will say both Mr Ellis and Mr Lerner had/has the club interests at heart but they both failed in different ways to make sure Aston Villa F.C is the best it can be...
We need strong leadership with a vision not jumping from one extreme to the other and investing at the right time..

[Clampy]

There's good and bad in both, but i suppose that goes for every chairman/owner.

[Salsa Party Animal]

 Shame we can't combined the best of both into one. I hope Randy Lerner keep in touch with Doug Ellis to see what is happening with the club.

[Fasth56]

Shame we can't combined the best of both into one. I hope Randy Lerner keep in touch with Doug Ellis to see what is happening with the club.

Perhaps Lerner can get him to check all the expense claims like he used to, just in case the guys are claiming for sandwiches again whilst on club business.