Doug or Randy?

[eastie]

The article is written for the mirror readers and not targeted for h&v readers , we may be aware of the problems at our club but i think fans of other clubs will find it a good read and interesting.

One of the better articles ive read regarding villa in recent weeks.

[KevinGage]

GT is rightly held in high regard by most Villa fans -particularly those who recall both stints at the club. 

But he advocated the appointment of Houllier post MON walk out, so he's far from infallable.

Personally - and I said this before the appointment of Lambert-  I'd prefer a low profile technical director, similar to what the Olybiyun have at present.  Someone who co-ordinates transfers and buying policy in general.   

They've had Di Matteo, Hodgson, and now Clark pass through the club in just under two years. Three managers in that space of time would be problematic for many clubs, but they don't seem to be any the worse for it. 

In contrast, everytime we've appointed someone they've had their own ideas about transfers, staff, and so forth.  And the whole thing turns to shite when they leave.

[mrastonvilla]

GT is rightly held in high regard by most Villa fans -particularly those who recall both stints at the club. 

But he advocated the appointment of Houllier post MON walk out, so he's far from infallable.

Personally - and I said this before the appointment of Lambert-  I'd prefer a low profile technical director, similar to what the Olybiyun have at present.  Someone who co-ordinates transfers and buying policy in general.   

They've had Di Matteo, Hodgson, and now Clark pass through the club in just under two years. Three managers in that space of time would be problematic for many clubs, but they don't seem to be any the worse for it. 

In contrast, everytime we've appointed someone they've had their own ideas about transfers, staff, and so forth.  And the whole thing turns to shite when they leave.

Spurs seem to have done well out of this set up as well

[not3bad]

i agree with villadroid, what a load of lazy arsed journalism that will have the doom mongers creaming themselves.

Nonsense.  As you've said yourself even the most optimistic fan would admit Villa have problems, and as has also been said this article was written with neutrals in mind.  As for "Doom mongers" the article suggests what could be done to improve things, which is hardly saying Villa are going down the pan and nothing can save us.

[Risso]

Excellent piece here:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-why-randy-lerner-must-1535072

The article proves how easy it is to be a football writer these days.

They read the forums, collect the recurring opinions and assemble into an article.

The fans read their own opinions being repeated back to them, decide what fantastic insight the journalist has, and decide the guy's a genius.

The suggestion that Villa should get Graham Taylor in as DOF has been mentioned on quite a few Villa sites recently.

So just the capitalist Mirror confiscating the surplus value of the workers and selling it back to them, as usual.

I have to agree, and furthermore I can't believe people can't see it for what it is.

Indeed, I just thought it was stating the bleedin' obvious.  Plus this thing about Stride "saying no" to managers.  That isn't true is it?  Everything I've read about Stride points to him being a great admin guy, the sort to make sure contracts are watertight and that you'd don't play a youth player who's been out on loan in the FA Cup, that sort of thing.  I can't imagine him getting in the way of pople like Atkinson and Ellis when discussions about transfers and budgets were being had.  I can see him passing on Ellis's decisions, but not making them himself, I just don't think Ellis would have allowed it.

[itbrvilla]

GT is rightly held in high regard by most Villa fans -particularly those who recall both stints at the club. 

But he advocated the appointment of Houllier post MON walk out, so he's far from infallable.

Personally - and I said this before the appointment of Lambert-  I'd prefer a low profile technical director, similar to what the Olybiyun have at present.  Someone who co-ordinates transfers and buying policy in general.   

They've had Di Matteo, Hodgson, and now Clark pass through the club in just under two years. Three managers in that space of time would be problematic for many clubs, but they don't seem to be any the worse for it. 

In contrast, everytime we've appointed someone they've had their own ideas about transfers, staff, and so forth.  And the whole thing turns to shite when they leave.

Good post.  We appear, more than most, to lack any continuity between changes.

[E I Adio]

Indeed, I just thought it was stating the bleedin' obvious. 

To people on this site agreed, but to Daily Mirror readers?

[Risso]

Indeed, I just thought it was stating the bleedin' obvious. 

To people on this site agreed, but to Daily Mirror readers?

It was probably a bit complicated for them.

[not3bad]

Indeed, I just thought it was stating the bleedin' obvious. 

To people on this site agreed, but to Daily Mirror readers?

Put it this way, I doubt Oliver Holt would have written that piece.

[Villadroid]

Excellent piece here:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-why-randy-lerner-must-1535072

The article proves how easy it is to be a football writer these days.

They read the forums, collect the recurring opinions and assemble into an article.

The fans read their own opinions being repeated back to them, decide what fantastic insight the journalist has, and decide the guy's a genius.

The suggestion that Villa should get Graham Taylor in as DOF has been mentioned on quite a few Villa sites recently.

So just the capitalist Mirror confiscating the surplus value of the workers and selling it back to them, as usual.

I have to agree, and furthermore I can't believe people can't see it for what it is.

As for the rubbish about capitalism, I didn't pay a penny to read it so that didn't work did it?

It does if you understand how it works.

Everyone who writes a blog or contributes to a forum makes themselves a commodity.

If enough readers read the free content supplied by a contributor, advertisers will pay money to be exposed to that audience.

Every owner of a site will use the analytics (statistics on visits and clicks etc) to set the level of how much they can charge for advertising and make money from other people's work.

So there we have the work of other people used to make money for those who did not produce it and only own the means of production - the website.

Take the example of the Huffington Post - the material was provided entirely free by bloggers and it was sold for $315m.

So the fact that you don't pay for content does not mean no one is being exploited, or that no one is confiscating the surplus value produced by someone else.

Sounds like capitalism to me.





 

[Quiet Lion]

Journalist writes a load of shit about our troubles  = Wah...... they don't know what is going on in our club

Journalist write an article that sums up mist Villa fans views = Wah..... they just copied stuff from the forums and state the obvious

[Villadroid]

Journalist writes a load of shit about our troubles  = Wah...... they don't know what is going on in our club

Journalist write an article that sums up mist Villa fans views = Wah..... they just copied stuff from the forums and state the obvious

Confucius he say:

When the question is journalism the answer is always Wah!

[not3bad]

So there we have the work of other people used to make money for those who did not produce it and only own the means of production - the website.

Take the example of the Huffington Post - the material was provided entirely free by bloggers and it was sold for $315m.

So the fact that you don't pay for content does not mean no one is being exploited, or that no one is confiscating the surplus value produced by someone else.

Sounds like capitalism to me.

Right, so advertisers and the funders of the website have been exploited, and the sweat and blood of the web developers spills in into the drains of the Daily Mirror offices.  Sweat and blood that could have been expended reporting on Katy Price's new shagpiece.

[Chris Smith]

Indeed, I just thought it was stating the bleedin' obvious. 

To people on this site agreed, but to Daily Mirror readers?

It's just giving people what they want to see.

You get it so often with football journalism, particularly at the populist end of the market. The reader agrees with the writer and says it's a well written article, if he disagrees it's ill thought out and poorly constructed.

[not3bad]

You get it so often with football journalism, particularly at the populist end of the market. The reader agrees with the writer and says it's a well written article, if he disagrees it's ill thought out and poorly constructed.

That doesn't just apply to football does it?  In fact, what would that not apply to?