Doug or Randy?

[Villafirst]

Doug was the one who patted himself on the back and said he was glad he sold to Lerner in 2006 and that our future was in ''safe hands'' Well those safe hands are now guiding us headlong into the Championship......well done Doug!

[Toronto Villa]

There is some serious revisionism going on here. Those who lived through Doug's years were just as frustrated as we are now if not more so. We had numerous chances to really become something. Numerous chances to bring in that one player to make us consistently compete at the very top and it was spurned time and again. Sure there were some very good years but the mere fact that he oversaw the team that won the European Cup and within 5 years they had been dismantled and the club relegated is unforgiveable. Can you imagine had this place existed back then? The massive, massive high of 1982 to watching that team destroyed and the club relegated. It puts everything that is happening now into serious perspective.

Doug didn't do everything wrong. He did a lot of goodf things and yes, we enjoyed some very good times with him in charge and some exciting football. But to even have this thread and debate it now ignores so very much that he did to hinder the progress this club should have enjoyed. Randy isn't the anti-Christ. Has he made errors or been naive. Absolutely. But stop comparing as it isn't even close.

[Lee]

A fool and his money are easily parted. Although, I'm happy that he is out of the way, you could never call Doug a fool.

[eastie]

There is some serious revisionism going on here. Those who lived through Doug's years were just as frustrated as we are now if not more so. We had numerous chances to really become something. Numerous chances to bring in that one player to make us consistently compete at the very top and it was spurned time and again. Sure there were some very good years but the mere fact that he oversaw the team that won the European Cup and within 5 years they had been dismantled and the club relegated is unforgiveable. Can you imagine had this place existed back then? The massive, massive high of 1982 to watching that team destroyed and the club relegated. It puts everything that is happening now into serious perspective.

Doug didn't do everything wrong. He did a lot of goodf things and yes, we enjoyed some very good times with him in charge and some exciting football. But to even have this thread and debate it now ignores so very much that he did to hinder the progress this club should have enjoyed. Randy isn't the anti-Christ. Has he made errors or been naive. Absolutely. But stop comparing as it isn't even close.

That's your opinion - at 51% to 49% could hardly be closer!

[SamTheMouse]

It's mostly gossipy stuff with no definite proof but everyone says roughly the same so often that there must be something in it. I know I've seen him sitting on his own in a roomful of people, then his face lit up when someone he knew walked in because he had somebody to talk to.

To be fair, that happens to me quite a bit.

[Fasth56]

Crikey. I never thought I would see the day that people looked back on Herbie's tenure with such affection.

The youth of today...

In Off Topic later on today, we'll be getting all misty-eyed when we start reminiscing about the good old days of rationing, public hangings, child labour and slavery.

and rickets don't forget rickets!

[Clampy]

Doug was the one who patted himself on the back and said he was glad he sold to Lerner in 2006 and that our future was in ''safe hands'' Well those safe hands are now guiding us headlong into the Championship......well done Doug!

So it's Doug fault now as well? He could have just as easily sold to Carson Yeung or Ray Ranson.

[Risso]

Back in "the old days" (ie pre-Sky!), it was a much more level playing field.  Teams mostly did well or badly thanks to the efforts of the manager, and finance was much less important  That's what so galling about Lerner's term, the money he's spent maybe wasn't enough to guarantee top 4 football, but it was certainly enough to guarantee that we shouldn't be in the position we are now.

[dave.woodhall]

There is some serious revisionism going on here. Those who lived through Doug's years were just as frustrated as we are now if not more so. We had numerous chances to really become something. Numerous chances to bring in that one player to make us consistently compete at the very top and it was spurned time and again. Sure there were some very good years but the mere fact that he oversaw the team that won the European Cup and within 5 years they had been dismantled and the club relegated is unforgiveable. Can you imagine had this place existed back then? The massive, massive high of 1982 to watching that team destroyed and the club relegated. It puts everything that is happening now into serious perspective.

Doug didn't do everything wrong. He did a lot of goodf things and yes, we enjoyed some very good times with him in charge and some exciting football. But to even have this thread and debate it now ignores so very much that he did to hinder the progress this club should have enjoyed. Randy isn't the anti-Christ. Has he made errors or been naive. Absolutely. But stop comparing as it isn't even close.

That's your opinion - at 51% to 49% could hardly be closer!

It's now a tie. Let's give the casting vote to Ron Saunders.

[Risso]

There is some serious revisionism going on here. Those who lived through Doug's years were just as frustrated as we are now if not more so. We had numerous chances to really become something. Numerous chances to bring in that one player to make us consistently compete at the very top and it was spurned time and again. Sure there were some very good years but the mere fact that he oversaw the team that won the European Cup and within 5 years they had been dismantled and the club relegated is unforgiveable. Can you imagine had this place existed back then? The massive, massive high of 1982 to watching that team destroyed and the club relegated. It puts everything that is happening now into serious perspective.

Doug didn't do everything wrong. He did a lot of goodf things and yes, we enjoyed some very good times with him in charge and some exciting football. But to even have this thread and debate it now ignores so very much that he did to hinder the progress this club should have enjoyed. Randy isn't the anti-Christ. Has he made errors or been naive. Absolutely. But stop comparing as it isn't even close.

That's your opinion - at 51% to 49% could hardly be closer!

It's now a tie. Let's give the casting vote to Ron Saunders.

Well he's voted, and Doug wins!

[eastie]

There is some serious revisionism going on here. Those who lived through Doug's years were just as frustrated as we are now if not more so. We had numerous chances to really become something. Numerous chances to bring in that one player to make us consistently compete at the very top and it was spurned time and again. Sure there were some very good years but the mere fact that he oversaw the team that won the European Cup and within 5 years they had been dismantled and the club relegated is unforgiveable. Can you imagine had this place existed back then? The massive, massive high of 1982 to watching that team destroyed and the club relegated. It puts everything that is happening now into serious perspective.

Doug didn't do everything wrong. He did a lot of goodf things and yes, we enjoyed some very good times with him in charge and some exciting football. But to even have this thread and debate it now ignores so very much that he did to hinder the progress this club should have enjoyed. Randy isn't the anti-Christ. Has he made errors or been naive. Absolutely. But stop comparing as it isn't even close.

That's your opinion - at 51% to 49% could hardly be closer!

It's now a tie. Let's give the casting vote to Ron Saunders.

Why not martin o Neill?

[Toronto Villa]

There is some serious revisionism going on here. Those who lived through Doug's years were just as frustrated as we are now if not more so. We had numerous chances to really become something. Numerous chances to bring in that one player to make us consistently compete at the very top and it was spurned time and again. Sure there were some very good years but the mere fact that he oversaw the team that won the European Cup and within 5 years they had been dismantled and the club relegated is unforgiveable. Can you imagine had this place existed back then? The massive, massive high of 1982 to watching that team destroyed and the club relegated. It puts everything that is happening now into serious perspective.

Doug didn't do everything wrong. He did a lot of goodf things and yes, we enjoyed some very good times with him in charge and some exciting football. But to even have this thread and debate it now ignores so very much that he did to hinder the progress this club should have enjoyed. Randy isn't the anti-Christ. Has he made errors or been naive. Absolutely. But stop comparing as it isn't even close.

That's your opinion - at 51% to 49% could hardly be closer!

It's now a tie. Let's give the casting vote to Ron Saunders.

How about we give the deciding to vote to Tony Barton's family?

[not3bad]

Lerner a c*** of the first water.

You're the first person I've seen apart from my Dad who's used that phrase.

[kipeye]

1,000 times Randy over Doug. I am disappointed with results under Randy but I wouldn't go back to Egoman.

[Risso]

1,000 times Randy over Doug. I am disappointed with results under Randy but I wouldn't go back to Egoman.

So far the best times under Doug are a mile ahead of the best times under Lerner.  Now I think the worst times under Lerner are about to meet and overtake those of Ellis.