Badly run clubs eventually get relegated

[F. Austin Purcell]

I must thank Pauliewalnuts because until he presented the evidence that Villa is a badly run club, I actually believed that it might be true.

You don't have to think too long, when presented with the examples he offers, to conclude that Villa are not a badly run club.

Certainly not brilliant but not bad by football's standards.

Once the examples of Birmingham, Leeds and Newcastle are offered up, clubs which range from from the criminal to the ridiculous, Villa's minor failings are put into perspective.

The assumption that the only criterion of a well-run club is the avoidance of relegation at any price is seriously flawed.

For those who think entirely in terms of consuming the football product these things cannot matter, but for anyone who thinks they support a club, I am afraid they must.

So thanks Pauliewalnuts, you brought light to a gloomy night.

Stage 1 Kübler Ross

[Yossarian]

I must thank Pauliewalnuts because until he presented the evidence that Villa is a badly run club, I actually believed that it might be true.

You don't have to think too long, when presented with the examples he offers, to conclude that Villa are not a badly run club.

Certainly not brilliant but not bad by football's standards.

Once the examples of Birmingham, Leeds and Newcastle are offered up, clubs which range from from the criminal to the ridiculous, Villa's minor failings are put into perspective.

The assumption that the only criterion of a well-run club is the avoidance of relegation at any price is seriously flawed.

For those who think entirely in terms of consuming the football product these things cannot matter, but for anyone who thinks they support a club, I am afraid they must.

So thanks Pauliewalnuts, you brought light to a gloomy night.

Stage 1 Kübler Ross

I have made it to stage four.

[rob_bridge]

Jesus, I really picked the wrong month to decide to go tee total didn't I!!!

Ditto

[Villadroid]

I must thank Pauliewalnuts because until he presented the evidence that Villa is a badly run club, I actually believed that it might be true.

You don't have to think too long, when presented with the examples he offers, to conclude that Villa are not a badly run club.

Certainly not brilliant but not bad by football's standards.

Once the examples of Birmingham, Leeds and Newcastle are offered up, clubs which range from from the criminal to the ridiculous, Villa's minor failings are put into perspective.

The assumption that the only criterion of a well-run club is the avoidance of relegation at any price is seriously flawed.

For those who think entirely in terms of consuming the football product these things cannot matter, but for anyone who thinks they support a club, I am afraid they must.

So thanks Pauliewalnuts, you brought light to a gloomy night.

Stage 1 Kübler Ross

So if you are so good at spotting denial, how come you failed to see the denial implicit in the OP?

You might equally claim that blaming Villa's predicament on bad management, is a denial of the truth that the club was never a serious contender for a top-four club.

The owner seems to have reached stage five (acceptance) as regards accepting that Villa's potential is too limited to waste any more money on.

So surely, by your own criterion, his lack of denial would be good management, wouldn't it?

[eastie]

Apart from waxing lyrical villadroid do you have any suggestion as to what should or will happen next ?

[peter w]

There's a huge difference between accepting that we aren't challenging the top 4 positions and seeing our current malaise. No matter how clever you want to sound villadroid the poor running of this club is inexorably linked to our rapid decline.

[Villadroid]

Apart from waxing lyrical villadroid do you have any suggestion as to what should or will happen next ?

Whether it involves relegation or not remains to be seen but Villa will emerge as a properly run business, which does not rely on debt and develops most of its own players.

I presume that Villa are now trying to set themselves up to be run more like West Brom, rather than Man City or Chelsea.

Reports on the financial set-up at the Baggies are always very favourable and the club is described as risk-averse.

So that would be my guess.

[Dave Cooper please]

It doesn't help that Randy owns the club fully ,no other share holders to really answer too.

And look at the way most of us threw our shares at him when he took over! I even remember being sworn at and called a traitor on the Mailing List because I said I wasn't going to willingly sell my one share!

[F. Austin Purcell]

I must thank Pauliewalnuts because until he presented the evidence that Villa is a badly run club, I actually believed that it might be true.

You don't have to think too long, when presented with the examples he offers, to conclude that Villa are not a badly run club.

Certainly not brilliant but not bad by football's standards.

Once the examples of Birmingham, Leeds and Newcastle are offered up, clubs which range from from the criminal to the ridiculous, Villa's minor failings are put into perspective.

The assumption that the only criterion of a well-run club is the avoidance of relegation at any price is seriously flawed.

For those who think entirely in terms of consuming the football product these things cannot matter, but for anyone who thinks they support a club, I am afraid they must.

So thanks Pauliewalnuts, you brought light to a gloomy night.

Stage 1 Kübler Ross

So if you are so good at spotting denial, how come you failed to see the denial implicit in the OP?

You might equally claim that blaming Villa's predicament on bad management, is a denial of the truth that the club was never a serious contender for a top-four club.

The owner seems to have reached stage five (acceptance) as regards accepting that Villa's potential is too limited to waste any more money on.

So surely, by your own criterion, his lack of denial would be good management, wouldn't it?

I didn't realise I was so good at spotting denial nor did I know that I should have vetted all posts prior to mine in search of other cases of denial. While I'm at it I didn't realise I'd set any criteria. I can't remember any claims either.

[Mister E]

Paulie, you've summed it up I suspect. Lack of experience and lack of attention to the important things seem to characterise the current club management.

[maigrait]

It doesn't help that Randy owns the club fully ,no other share holders to really answer too.

And look at the way most of us threw our shares at him when he took over! I even remember being sworn at and called a traitor on the Mailing List because I said I wasn't going to willingly sell my one share!

I've still got mine... I refused to give it up. Even got another letter the other day to say sell up. NEVER!!!!

[dave.woodhall]

It doesn't help that Randy owns the club fully ,no other share holders to really answer too.

And look at the way most of us threw our shares at him when he took over! I even remember being sworn at and called a traitor on the Mailing List because I said I wasn't going to willingly sell my one share!

I've still got mine... I refused to give it up. Even got another letter the other day to say sell up. NEVER!!!!

You've got the certificate. Randy owns the share.

[Dave Cooper please]

It doesn't help that Randy owns the club fully ,no other share holders to really answer too.

And look at the way most of us threw our shares at him when he took over! I even remember being sworn at and called a traitor on the Mailing List because I said I wasn't going to willingly sell my one share!

I've still got mine... I refused to give it up. Even got another letter the other day to say sell up. NEVER!!!!

You've got the certificate. Randy owns the share.

The man will never own me.

[dave.woodhall]

The man or The Man?

[Billy Walker]

I must thank Pauliewalnuts because until he presented the evidence that Villa is a badly run club, I actually believed that it might be true.

You don't have to think too long, when presented with the examples he offers, to conclude that Villa are not a badly run club.

Certainly not brilliant but not bad by football's standards.

Once the examples of Birmingham, Leeds and Newcastle are offered up, clubs which range from from the criminal to the ridiculous, Villa's minor failings are put into perspective.

The assumption that the only criterion of a well-run club is the avoidance of relegation at any price is seriously flawed.

For those who think entirely in terms of consuming the football product these things cannot matter, but for anyone who thinks they support a club, I am afraid they must.

So thanks Pauliewalnuts, you brought light to a gloomy night.

Stage 1 Kübler Ross

So if you are so good at spotting denial, how come you failed to see the denial implicit in the OP?

You might equally claim that blaming Villa's predicament on bad management, is a denial of the truth that the club was never a serious contender for a top-four club.

The owner seems to have reached stage five (acceptance) as regards accepting that Villa's potential is too limited to waste any more money on.

So surely, by your own criterion, his lack of denial would be good management, wouldn't it?

Villa have more potential than Man City or Chelsea to name but two so I'm not too sure Lerner has accepted Villa's potential is "too limited".  I think he has simply realised he has not got the finances, nor industry expertise to get Villa competing at that level. At present Lerner is trying to run a vintage Rolls Royce on the budget of an Austin Allegro.