Herd and Holman

[Mister E]

To move forward we have to replace either Westwood or Delph as neither offer any goal threat at all. Delph has been impressive towards the end of the season but only in a destructive manner whereas Westwood is more constuctive but not as combative as Delph. I have been impressed with Sylla and he certainly deserves a prolonged run in the team. I think Holman deserves another season to try and get a run in the team to prove his worth. I would certainly keep Herd as he can fit into many positions and not look out of place, a very good squad player.

Delph was one of Leeds' potent forces in his previous life. He has goals in him, IMHO, and I think they will come.
I accept that against Fulham he missed a howler.

[PeterWithesShin]

If Delph keeps playing like he has the last few months the goals will come.

[OCD]

Delph, Westwood and Sylla looked good in a 3. We do need other options (which could include different types of midfielders) /more competition though.

As for Holman, if he could hardly get into a side that really struggled what chance does he have in an improving side and stronger squad? We need to move anyone on who doesn't have a future here.

[eamonn]

Delph is our strongest midfielder now. We don't half have some dross in there. Ship out Bannan, Ireland is a gonner anyway and KEA is take-or-leave at best.

Versatility is the only thing Holman and Herd offer. That's not enough to cover a lack of quality in both and for that reason, I'm out.

[Havencheese]

Delph, Westwood and Sylla looked good in a 3. We do need other options (which could include different types of midfielders) /more competition though.

As for Holman, if he could hardly get into a side that really struggled what chance does he have in an improving side and stronger squad? We need to move anyone on who doesn't have a future here.

Worth hanging onto as at least a squad player, I couldn't stand watching him early on in his career, could never understand that he was continually place in the national side. Then he, just....clicked and looked a player. Is worth another look down to his perseverance.

[Clark W Griswold]

Both ok as back up, unless of course we have better coming in to replace them.

[Havencheese]

Holman played very well three weeks ago against Japan but the previous couple of weeks against Jordan and last night Iraq apart from a couple of things looked lost and I'd even say a insipid out there. Under the previous national coach Pim Verbeek, he looked a different player.

It's a similar scenario here, methinks he's going to struggle even as a squad player to fit in. Changed my tune.

[supertom]

With the players we've bought in, Gardner back, and youngsters coming through, I think Herd and Holman's days are numbered. They'll be sold as soon as a suitable offer comes in. Both are championship standard at best. Good luck to them, but even if we can't ship them off, I don't see them making the 25 man squad, or appearing again.

[pauliewalnuts]

With the players we've bought in, Gardner back, and youngsters coming through, I think Herd and Holman's days are numbered. They'll be sold as soon as a suitable offer comes in. Both are championship standard at best. Good luck to them, but even if we can't ship them off, I don't see them making the 25 man squad, or appearing again.

Whilst I do thing Herd and Holman's days are numbered, I wouldn't base that too much on the return of Gardner - a young player who has barely kicked a ball for us in the top flight.

[not3bad]

I still think Herd would make a decent back up for Lowton.

[PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt]

I still think Herd would make a decent back up for Lowton.

Agreed!

Bannan, Ireland, Holman and N'Zogbia to go as well!

[SoccerHQ]

The dutch lad sounds like Holman's replacement to me in the squad.

Not sure on Herd really, o.k as back up but could go if we sign anymore right sided defenders.

[OCD]

With the players we've bought in, Gardner back, and youngsters coming through, I think Herd and Holman's days are numbered. They'll be sold as soon as a suitable offer comes in. Both are championship standard at best. Good luck to them, but even if we can't ship them off, I don't see them making the 25 man squad, or appearing again.

I wouldn't undersell them as championship standard, or rather I wouldn't oversell the Premier League. Players in the bottom 10 clubs are often interchangeable with Championship players but those clubs may have the odd few who are genuine Premier League players. So they could still find places for themselves in the Premier League. Could being the operative word.

[Caiphus]

Holman seems to have lost his stamina which was always his greatest attribute.  He used to run around like a headless chook for 90mins following the ball everywhere.

Moving to the premier league I think he has started to overrate himself instead of working inside his own capabilities.  I used to abide his sour face and petulance when he was a hard worker, but now he seems to think he is some sort of creative genius and deserves to be the principle receiver of the ball rather than to chase and harry until the opposition coughs it up for him to capitalize on their mistakes.  His technical limitations were always obvious, but his work ethic produced results.  Without that work ethic he is a completely mediocre player.

[Irish villain]

Holman went from being the next Des Bremner to being the latest also-ran. Extraordinary. He was exceptional at the start of the season but looked a very limited player when in possession.