Randy Lerner

[Clampy]

Why does someone go to the trouble of registering here just to post this nonsense?

No, i don't get it either, especially people who claim to be 'ITK' and clearly are not.

[Lastfootstamper]

"people will instantly know where its come from". How? Surely it's not beyond the wit of even the drunkest of people who's just got back from the pub where they were watching the Goners to at least hint at something without implicating all and sundry? Why is it that "ITKs" only ever claim to have devastatingly bad news? I have waaay too much time on my hands these days, so, to fill it and to do something useful for society as a whole, I'm going to start compiling their "facts", find out where they live, then, once the bollocks they've spouted is exposed as such, I shall knock their door and call them a cnut to their face. As, with their implied tone, I feel like that's what they're doing to me.

But if they're right, I'll get them a cake.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Regardless of the financial issue, Lerner is certainly getting an easy time of it compared to when Ellis was at the helm and being harangued by all and sundry.

[eastie]

Regardless of the financial issue, Lerener is certainly getting an easy time of it compared to when Ellis was at the helm and being harangued by all and sundry.

Probably because Ellis was here and visible whereas randy is 1000s of miles away.

[Ad@m]

Regardless of the financial issue, Lerener is certainly getting an easy time of it compared to when Ellis was at the helm and being harangued by all and sundry.

Probably because Ellis was here and visible whereas randy is 1000s of miles away.

Or because Ellis spent years at the helm of the Villa holding the club back and lining his own pockets.

Or because Ellis was such a big Villa fan he joined the board at the Blues.

Or because the most successful event in our club's history coincided with the time he wasn't involved.  And as soon as he got back involved relegation quickly followed.

Randy's got a long way to go before he's anything like as bad as Ellis was.

[eastie]

Regardless of the financial issue, Lerener is certainly getting an easy time of it compared to when Ellis was at the helm and being harangued by all and sundry.

Probably because Ellis was here and visible whereas randy is 1000s of miles away.

Or because Ellis spent years at the helm of the Villa holding the club back and lining his own pockets.

Or because Ellis was such a big Villa fan he joined the board at the Blues.

Or because the most successful event in our club's history coincided with the time he wasn't involved.  And as soon as he got back involved relegation quickly followed.

Randy's got a long way to go before he's anything like as bad as Ellis was.

Interesting you state the bad things  but none of the good things there. Doug did good as well as bad in his reign , we won a couple of trophies and came close to the title on more than one occasion  as well as the lows you mentioned.

[pauliewalnuts]

Doug did good as well as bad in his reign , we won a couple of trophies and came close to the title on more than one occasion  as well as the lows you mentioned.

Yeah, and he made the trains run on time.

^^^ selfgodwinisation ^^^

_{although the trains thing was Mussolini, and I am pretty sure Godwin is Nazis only.}

[Ad@m]

Interesting you state the bad things  but none of the good things there. Doug did good as well as bad in his reign , we won a couple of trophies and came close to the title on more than one occasion .

We came close to the title in seasons when, if Ellis had actually shown commitment to the cause, we may well have won the title.

The mid/late-90s was the critical time for football in this country.  That's when the big TV money started rolling in and the Champions League expanded.  We started off the 90s finishing twice in three seasons.  Over the course of the 90s Ellis's continued underinvestment in the club whilst he took his more than generous rewards out of it meant that we steadily dropped out of the magic top 4 and let clubs like Arsenal overtake us. 

If Ellis had invested when we were almost there rather than wait until the fans demanded he sell up we might be dissapointed at being knocked out of the Champions League having just beaten Bayern Munich in their back yard rather than sweating over a home game against bottom of the league QPR.

[pauliewalnuts]

If Ellis had invested when we were almost there rather than wait until the fans demanded he sell up we might be dissapointed at being knocked out of the Champions League having just beaten Bayern Munich in their back yard rather than sweating over a home game against bottom of the league QPR.

I am not going to defend Ellis, but the fans were demanding he sell up for about twenty years, weren't they?

Ellis said he'd leave Villa Park in a coffin - the intimation being that he'd do it on his own terms, and when he wanted or needed to - and that is exactly what happened. He left on his own terms, and not a minute earlier.

[dave.woodhall]

And with £30 million in his pocket. He beat us all.

[Chico Hamilton III]

So Lerner's not as bad a Ellis.

That's hardly a ringing endorsment of Randy's achievements over the last 5 years.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

So Lerner's not as bad a Ellis.

That's hardly a ringing endorsment of Randy's achievements over the last 5 years.

He should have it printed on a T-shirt

'I'm not Ellis.'

[eastie]

I think regarding the title crack in 90 if we had signed sheringham rather than his partner cascarino we would probably have won the title that year and if we hadn't lost graham to the England post we would probably have won the title during his reign.

Neither of those things can be blamed on doug , many people say if we had bought Keane we would have gone close to a title under Gregory but in his book John says doug was happy to spend the money and it was Gregory who pulled the plug.

We were hardly scroogelike in the 90s when it cane to signing players, ie, merson, collymore, Dublin etc.

[Concrete John]

I think regarding the title crack in 90 if we had signed sheringham rather than his partner cascarino we would probably have won the title that year and if we hadn't lost graham to the England post we would probably have won the title during his reign.

Neither of those things can be blamed on doug , many people say if we had bought Keane we would have gone close to a title under Gregory but in his book John says doug was happy to spend the money and it was Gregory who pulled the plug.

We were hardly scroogelike in the 90s when it cane to signing players, ie, merson, collymore, Dublin etc.

Merson and Dublin were bought with the Yorke money.  And we also had another spending spree funded by the floatation of the club.

In retrospect, Ellis is probably the owners equivalent of MON - did things in an old afshioned way that got success to a point, but wasn't enough to go that extra yard and actually get to the top of the tree.   

[eastie]

I think regarding the title crack in 90 if we had signed sheringham rather than his partner cascarino we would probably have won the title that year and if we hadn't lost graham to the England post we would probably have won the title during his reign.

Neither of those things can be blamed on doug , many people say if we had bought Keane we would have gone close to a title under Gregory but in his book John says doug was happy to spend the money and it was Gregory who pulled the plug.

We were hardly scroogelike in the 90s when it cane to signing players, ie, merson, collymore, Dublin etc.

Merson and Dublin were bought with the Yorke money.  And we also had another spending spree funded by the floatation of the club.

In retrospect, Ellis is probably the owners equivalent of MON - did things in an old afshioned way that got success to a point, but wasn't enough to go that extra yard and actually get to the top of the tree.   

Fair comment, I'm not holding Ellis up as a great owner and chairman just saying its a bit naff to only list the bad things that happened under him - there were some highs as well.