Lambert in or out? Poll reset with majority 'in', 7th May

[Greg N'Ash]

Only a new guy who's not following "The Plan" can save us now. Just listen to the Doogan fellah on that interview and he's spouting the same bollocks about the youth acadamy with young players to supplement them that Faulkner was coming out with years back, long before Lampchop joined. Sounds like another one of Lerner's obsessions with Man United. Yes the guy thinks he's magically going to build a top team out of our youth like his favourite team in Manchester.

We need a guy who's only brief is to keep us up, none of this youth bollocks, just keep us up using whoever he thinks can do it. If Lerner allows that then we've got a chance. Otherwise pffftttt..

[eastie]

Eastie I hope you soon come to terms with the fact that Lambert is not going to be removed/leave his job.
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The thing there though is you are not saying its your opinion you are stating it as a fact .

[eastie]

Only a new guy who's not following "The Plan" can save us now. Just listen to the Doogan fellah on that interview and he's spouting the same bollocks about the youth acadamy with young players to supplement them that Faulkner was coming out with years back, long before Lampchop joined. Sounds like another one of Lerner's obsessions with Man United. Yes the guy thinks he's magically going to build a top team out of our youth like his favourite team in Manchester.

We need a guy who's only brief is to keep us up, none of this youth bollocks, just keep us up using whoever he thinks can do it. If Lerner allows that then we've got a chance. Otherwise pffftttt..

Correct greg, if it takes a huge offer of a big bonus to keep us up we may attract someone in, even on an interim basis.

[JUAN PABLO]

He's going nowhere. We are. Down. Goodnight.

He's going nowhere.  We are not down, there are still 15 league games to play for Christ sake, that's 40% of the league programme.  Good Morning.

If we can only win 4 out of 23 games, how on earth are we going to win 6 out of 15 with confidence now at an all time low? The only option for me to galvanise us in the short term is a change of manager, even if its just a temporary 6 month job just to get us out of the shit.

we will be lucky to win 3 .      gutted

[Greg N'Ash]

Only a new guy who's not following "The Plan" can save us now. Just listen to the Doogan fellah on that interview and he's spouting the same bollocks about the youth acadamy with young players to supplement them that Faulkner was coming out with years back, long before Lampchop joined. Sounds like another one of Lerner's obsessions with Man United. Yes the guy thinks he's magically going to build a top team out of our youth like his favourite team in Manchester.

We need a guy who's only brief is to keep us up, none of this youth bollocks, just keep us up using whoever he thinks can do it. If Lerner allows that then we've got a chance. Otherwise pffftttt..

Correct greg, if it takes a huge offer of a big bonus to keep us up we may attract someone in, even on an interim basis.

I'd prefer an interim boss. Give him til the end of season and if he keeps us up give him the job. A successful campaign would also give him some leverage over Lerner with regards to  money this summer. Lampchop is so indebted to Lerner he's never going to do anything that rocks the boat.

[john e]

He's going nowhere. We are. Down. Goodnight.

He's going nowhere.  We are not down, there are still 15 league games to play for Christ sake, that's 40% of the league programme.  Good Morning.

Just enough time then for someone to come in and possibly save us .

I wouldn't argue with the fact that a 15 game programme is a reasonable time frame for a coach to have an effect on a squad of players.  The problem for you Eastie is that the man in charge for those 15 games will be Paul Lambert.

Not the problem for me pal, the problem for aston villa - its lerners money down the pan , not mine.
Maybe you would like to inform why you are so happy for mr lambert to remain?

Because I believe that the 15 games that remain is more than enough for us to get over the line and that he will manage the team into a survival position by the end of the season.  I also think that getting Dunne back into the team, which is going to happen over the next week or so, will help with organisation and leadership on the pitch during games.  I am also not convinced based on what I see with my own eyes that the five teams who are likely to be battling it out with us are going to achieve significantly better results over the 15 game programme.  Take Reading as an example they have been totally outplayed in their last two PL games, battered by both West Brom and Newcastle but yet managed to win not through their own ability but through a combination of pure fluke and their opponents failures.  Southampton likewise their results away at Villa and home v Everton were results achieved against the run of play and not deserved on the quality of their play.  Wigan will always hover down their they are not capable of stringing a run together either.  It will be a great scrap over the next few months and I would stick with PL because I am sure he can get us safe but I admit it will be 17th or 16th at best, not great, not in the plan but good enough for us to take stock and move forward.

They know Glen as well don't they from when he was scouting

Bit dour but a good organiser and with good contacts in the game - not inspiring but beggars cant be choosers.

Eastie I hope you soon come to terms with the fact that Lambert is not going to be removed/leave his job.

Yeah,
 we heard all that same talk last season with TSM, he was here for the long term, he wasn't going anywhere, posters exactly like you telling us that it was a FACT that he 'wasn't going anywhere'
No doubt you were one of them that got it wrong

Turns out it was a load of bollocks just like your post,

The tin tack can't be far of now,
 there is always a tipping point and that might well have come and gone already, even so if the decline continues for another couple of matches there is no way he can hang on, no matter what your fact post says

Hi john e.  The point I am making is that I don't believe he will be sacked during the season that's all.  I was in favour of removing TSM at the end of last season, at the Bolton game I told my son that my belief was that that night the board would have made up their mind that he would be replaced.  They subsequently allowed him to take us through to the end of the season then got rid as I fully expected.

The same may happen this season.  Our debates are an exchange of opinion, nothing more nothing less.  I enjoy reading others thoughts and expressions of frustration and ideas for what they think should happen that's why I spend time on here just like you.  I don't mind others calling for PL to be sacked but just wish that everybody who does that would qualify their call by including their choice of replacement, the problem is most don't.  With the opportunity for altering the squad rapidly diminishing any replacement would have to work with what we already have at the club and that is another reason for my personal choice which is to give him until the end of the season then reappraise the situation.  I fully respect your and everybody else's right to disagree with that opinion and express that disagreement vehemently but politely within this forum.

I've always been a strong supporter of giving Lambert more time,
I'm probably 50-50 now
Mainly because I fear who we will end up with and just keep going round in circles, 'anyone but Lambert' is a hollow cry for me as the same posters who say it were saying the exact same thing last season about TSM,

The last 30 mins against Bradford was a bit of a turning point for me, Lambert showed he really doesn't know what to do in a crisis, and seems not to be able to do anything about the downward spiral we are currently going through.

However, we have at times this season played some really good stuff, against Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, first halves here and there, some of it better than anything Mcliesh served up, that's why I still think there is a big difference between the two
I also think he is stubborn, especially in the transfer market,

So there is pros and cons for me, that's why I'm 50-50, I'm not exactly calling for his head but wouldn't be surprised if his time was up, his replacement is more of a worry for me

[john e]

Sorry for the massive quotation there, something went wrong, my fault

[Eigentor]

Lambert staying or going is unimportant. The most important thing is to bring in three experienced players: the defensive midfielders and a central defender. The second priority is to bring in someone who can organise the team defensively. It doesn't have to be a new manager; a defensive coach who will work on the basics can improve things in a pretty short time.

If we manage that, I think the likes of N'Zogbia, Ireland, Gabby, Weimann, Benteke and Bent actually have enough quality to create and score goals to keep us up.

We're still above the relegation zone -- just.

[mr-villa]

He's going nowhere. We are. Down. Goodnight.

He's going nowhere.  We are not down, there are still 15 league games to play for Christ sake, that's 40% of the league programme.  Good Morning.

Just enough time then for someone to come in and possibly save us .

I wouldn't argue with the fact that a 15 game programme is a reasonable time frame for a coach to have an effect on a squad of players.  The problem for you Eastie is that the man in charge for those 15 games will be Paul Lambert.

Not the problem for me pal, the problem for aston villa - its lerners money down the pan , not mine.
Maybe you would like to inform why you are so happy for mr lambert to remain?

Because I believe that the 15 games that remain is more than enough for us to get over the line and that he will manage the team into a survival position by the end of the season.  I also think that getting Dunne back into the team, which is going to happen over the next week or so, will help with organisation and leadership on the pitch during games.  I am also not convinced based on what I see with my own eyes that the five teams who are likely to be battling it out with us are going to achieve significantly better results over the 15 game programme.  Take Reading as an example they have been totally outplayed in their last two PL games, battered by both West Brom and Newcastle but yet managed to win not through their own ability but through a combination of pure fluke and their opponents failures.  Southampton likewise their results away at Villa and home v Everton were results achieved against the run of play and not deserved on the quality of their play.  Wigan will always hover down their they are not capable of stringing a run together either.  It will be a great scrap over the next few months and I would stick with PL because I am sure he can get us safe but I admit it will be 17th or 16th at best, not great, not in the plan but good enough for us to take stock and move forward.

The teams around us are all strengthening , and also picking up points and some momentum- we are hurtling the other way , dunne will not make that much difference if fit , we are a very poor side .
We have won 5 of our last 40 league games, have an appalling goal difference and a manager who has lost the plot - we are not going to stay up with paul lambert , but i accept your opinion and we will agree to differ .

Cheers mate no doubt we will both be there Tuesday in support.  Have a good weekend.

[eastie]

Lambert staying or going is unimportant. The most important thing is to bring in three experienced players: the defensive midfielders and a central defender. The second priority is to bring in someone who can organise the team defensively. It doesn't have to be a new manager; a defensive coach who will work on the basics can improve things in a pretty short time.

If we manage that, I think the likes of N'Zogbia, Ireland, Gabby, Weimann, Benteke and Bent actually have enough quality to create and score goals to keep us up.

We're still above the relegation zone -- just.

Are seriously saying the manager staying or going is unimportant?

The manager is in charge of signings, selections, coaching , tactics, etc - all the problems playing wise can be laid at his feet .
He spent £22m in the summer , far more than many clubs above us in the table - get rid!

[Jockey Randall]

Stick by him whatever happens this season. I dont buy into this belief that there is some hidden quality in this squad that we're not seeing. I doubt anyone else would be doing much better. I'll just see it another 5 steps backwards if we sack him.

[mrfuse]

At this point unless we have someone special lined up its pointless getting rid of Lambert. Ive always backed Lambert as well and will continue to do so although I must admit certain decisions have made me wonder.

The more concerning issue is Learner, even if we stay up we wont next season.

[eastie]

At this point unless we have someone special lined up its pointless getting rid of Lambert. Ive always backed Lambert as well and will continue to do so although I must admit certain decisions have made me wonder.

The more concerning issue is Learner, even if we stay up we wont next season.

We cant do anything about lerner right now , we can however do something about lambert.

[mr-villa]

Eastie I hope you soon come to terms with the fact that Lambert is not going to be removed/leave his job.

The thing there though is you are not saying its your opinion you are stating it as a fact .
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Pardon my incorrect use of the English language.  I should have said Eastie I hope you soon come to terms with the likelihood (in my opinion only) that Lambert is not going to be removed/leave his job.

[Pete3206]

Not a fan of Lambert then, Eastie?