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Author Topic: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread  (Read 80532 times)

Offline PaulWinch again

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #225 on: December 29, 2012, 06:38:11 PM »
Quote
Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert

On losing 3-0 to Wigan: "You cannot start the game like we did - especially at home. It's not great by any standards. The only spell we had was 20 minutes in the first half and the second goal from a Wigan throw-in was really poor.

"We've got a lot of injuries at the minute which doesn't help, but we know we're in a fight. We've just got to keep going and keep trying to do the right things."

On Villa fans leaving after the third Wigan goal: "Absolutely I can understand it. I pick the team, it's my responsibility. The crowd have been brilliant with me and that's why I can't say anything against them."

On bouncing back from conceding 15 goals in three matches: "You have to pick yourselves back up and keep fighting. We certainly know we're in a fight but this club has been in a fight for a couple of years so it's nothing new. But we don't want to be in this position."

'Keep trying to do the right things', we haven't come close to that in the last 3 games.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #226 on: December 29, 2012, 06:40:16 PM »
Getting tired of all this 'In Lambert we trust' bollocks, this is the worst side I have seen in a very long time, on a par with the 1969 and 1987 sides, both relegated, and both, coincidentally, teams going the young players route, always Villa's default setting when things are going wrong.
We need a major shift in policy to keep us up, I've been saying all season Lambert's tactics are clueless, he is no coach.
He is purely a motivator who wants to work with the sort of player who will follow his instructions wthout question, and cannot clearly work with senior players.
They are just the sort of player that we need to get us out of this mess, but I don't think he will buy them, just more 'young, hungry' players who will 'go again and give their all'.
Relegation is now staring us all in the face, I'm afraid, and Mr. Lerner needs to do something clear and decisive, for once.
 

Spot on in my opinion.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #227 on: December 29, 2012, 06:42:20 PM »
Big pile of poo.

That's one of the worst villa showing I've seen down villa park in a while. And I'm including last years dire campaign too.

Void of ideas, lack of leadership and only two shots on target all game.

Out classed and out played but a much better organised Wigan side. If that's the quality of the sides around us in the league then it's a miracle we're not rooted at the bottom of the table.

It's so do poor. I'm really gutted because unless there's some serious money spent there's no way out of this

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #228 on: December 29, 2012, 06:43:08 PM »
Getting tired of all this 'In Lambert we trust' bollocks, this is the worst side I have seen in a very long time, on a par with the 1969 and 1987 sides, both relegated, and both, coincidentally, teams going the young players route, always Villa's default setting when things are going wrong.
We need a major shift in policy to keep us up, I've been saying all season Lambert's tactics are clueless, he is no coach.
He is purely a motivator who wants to work with the sort of player who will follow his instructions wthout question, and cannot clearly work with senior players.
They are just the sort of player that we need to get us out of this mess, but I don't think he will buy them, just more 'young, hungry' players who will 'go again and give their all'.
Relegation is now staring us all in the face, I'm afraid, and Mr. Lerner needs to do something clear and decisive, for once.
 

Spot on in my opinion.

If we just bring in more young and hungry players in January, I am going to stake a decent wad on us going down. The only thing i can think of which would be a more spectacularly stupid course by the club would be to buy nobody.

Lerner needs to wake up, quickly. This Ajax dream is not going to happen at Villa, they're totally incomparable clubs.

Incidentally, the solution to the wage bill is instant next season - the new television deal. It'd be supreme fuckwittery on Lerner's part to obsess about it so much that he got us relegated and missed out on the solution.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #229 on: December 29, 2012, 06:45:24 PM »
Just got back from the game and I'm distraught.

We were ok in short spells but the amount of flick ons that didn't come off, blind alleys, sideways passing when a better ball could have been played as well as aimless lost passes had so many howls of derision it could have been an X factor audition day.

The Holte was in good voice throughout the game.

Ireland has played his last game for us. The boos that greeted his departure guaranteed that.

Mr Woodhall suggested to me that give Caruthers a go and tell him to enjoy himself. Not a bad idea!

Liverpool was a fluke.

I understand what Lambert is trying to do but we can't keep getting hammered week after week. We played the reigning European Champions and brushed aside. We played a team in the top 4 - battered. We now have played a team near the bottom and again battered.

Ditch the current formation.

Ditch the current recruitment strategy.

I really really don't give a shit about the cups. The league is our bread and butter and we are now the Premiership whipping boys.

Message to Pongo Waring - send us a goal from heaven Pongo and save us from hell.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #230 on: December 29, 2012, 06:45:50 PM »
15 goals in 3 matches conceded
4 shots on target
Epic failure at management and board level

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #231 on: December 29, 2012, 06:45:59 PM »
What we need is a 6 foot 5, built like a brick shitehouse midfielder who gets stuck in. Our midfield is too lightweight. A leader at the back wouldn't do any harm  either.

Three players, right up the middle of the pitch.

Yes, and we also need to bring the likes of Bent, N'Zogbia and Wanrnock back. We may not be their biggest fans but we need their experience in the team. We look like someone lifted a League 2 outfit and placed them into Villa shirts

Bent and Zog have been injured, and I'd play Neil Warnock before Stephen.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #232 on: December 29, 2012, 06:48:24 PM »
What we need is a 6 foot 5, built like a brick shitehouse midfielder who gets stuck in. Our midfield is too lightweight. A leader at the back wouldn't do any harm  either.

Three players, right up the middle of the pitch.

Yes, and we also need to bring the likes of Bent, N'Zogbia and Wanrnock back. We may not be their biggest fans but we need their experience in the team. We look like someone lifted a League 2 outfit and placed them into Villa shirts

Bent and Zog have been injured, and I'd play Neil Warnock before Stephen.

Our fullbacks are woeful. Warnock would be an improvement even if it's just for his experience alone.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #233 on: December 29, 2012, 06:49:09 PM »
I wish there was an 'off' button for caring about Aston Villa. I feel so selfish, feeling this bad about something I can't control.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #234 on: December 29, 2012, 06:49:23 PM »
What we need is a 6 foot 5, built like a brick shitehouse midfielder who gets stuck in. Our midfield is too lightweight. A leader at the back wouldn't do any harm  either.

Three players, right up the middle of the pitch.

Yes, and we also need to bring the likes of Bent, N'Zogbia and Wanrnock back. We may not be their biggest fans but we need their experience in the team. We look like someone lifted a League 2 outfit and placed them into Villa shirts

Bent and Zog have been injured, and I'd play Neil Warnock before Stephen.

Our fullbacks are woeful. Warnock would be an improvement even if it's just for his experience alone.

I don't really think Lowton has been woeful.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #235 on: December 29, 2012, 06:49:53 PM »
15 goals in 3 matches conceded
4 shots on target
Epic failure at management and board level
This

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #236 on: December 29, 2012, 06:50:21 PM »
Everybody is entitled to an opinion and it is good to read others but in my opinion some of the comments on here are pathetic when you actually consider reality.  Like everybody else, I am bitterly disappointed but the generalisation of some of the comments on here is like the lack of effort of some of our players.

The majority of people on here bought in to the appoinment of Lambert and his policy regarding replacing experienced players on the way down with inexperienced players with potential.  There have been a few that have been critical from day one but I will not go into that.  This was never going to be a one season solution to the slide of the previous two and a half.  There was a gamble taken with the squad strength in that the thought was that it was good enough to get through the season and build off for the future.  The gamble has not come off, both due to injuries and some of the players brought in not being up to the task when things have started to go wrong.  The one error that I thought the manager made was not bringing in an extra experienced midfield player.

To say that all of the managers buys are absolute shite is ridiculous.

I have seen some poor Villa teams over the last 35 years but to say this team is the worst misses the point that a few players of quality and experience can lift the younger players to play at a far higher level than at present.

To say that we need to replace the defence, midfield and forward line is an extreme comment which loses credibility of anything constructive that the poster may say.  It would be great to have a magic wand but football doesn't work like that

Humour is one thing but ridicule to get a point across has never done it for me.

To say that the manager should be sacked after half a season of trying to juggle limited resources is one thing but to say he is worse than McLeish is amazing.  One manager looking to the future and the other living in the past with no thought of the future.

Having said that, my view of the squad is as follows:
Guzan - ok
Lowton - struggling of late but will be ok as a fullback, not suited to right wingback in a 5/3 set up
Lichaj - not good enough as wingback, not PL quality at fullback either.  Adequate as squad player if he does not have to play too many games
Herd - not good enough as a defender, battler and useful as a squad player
Clark - good alongside a strong partner but looks weak when he has play the dominant part, I believe he will improve with experience.  Thank god he did not get booked today as I think that would have meant a suspension
Bennett - one for the future and would look far better if the rest of the players would play the ball infront of him rather than to his feet when he is tightly marked, give the kid a chance!
Ireland - I have lost my patience with him.  A luxury we cannot afford and a midfield with him in it looks weaker than without
Bannan - I still believe he has a lot of potential if he only has play it simple most of the time amd save his defence splitting passes rather than trying to play the impossible ball all of the time.  Needs complimenting players in midfield
Holman - not PL quality
Weimann - one for the future
Benteke - lost a bit of confidence but is somebody to build the team around
Albrighton - cannot see him making it at this level, seems to lack what it takes to learn his position and the game in general
KEA - jury is out but I do not think he will adjust to PL, looks lazy
Bowery - I know people are looking for positives but didn't stand out for me when he came on.  Yound and inexperienced, so hopefully one for the future
Baker - looks to be a genuine prospect and has impressed me in the centre of the defence
Bent - money or the player, still think there is a place for him in the team
Gabby - on the wane and losing his main attribute, pace
Vlaar - his leadership has been sadly missed
Given - needed as back up
Delph - looks to be another Reo Coker, very bright youngster that never fullfills the potential
Westwood - been impressed with him but needs more experience, one for the future
N'Zogbia - big disappointment but is needed for the rest of the season and then sell him
Dunne - had his day and will be surprised to see him play for us again
Warnock - need to sell
Hutton - need to sell but will anybody buy!

From the above there is an obvious shortage in midfield where (in my opinion) we only have two players Bannan and Westwood but you cannot play them week in week out.

I believe the manager used 3 at the back as he thought this gave the greater strength with Vlaar, Baker and Clark but with first two out, it is now proving a weakness and so a flat back four would be better with what is available

The team is clearly short of experience and confidence.  I believe that latter will come if we can bring in a couple of experienced midfield players on loan for the rest of the season.  Also, with our injuries to central defenders and Clark continually picking up bookings, we need an experienced central defender.

I do not believe the picture is as black as some are making it out to be but that is provided players are brought in next month.  Without 3 or 4 players or a rapid improvement on injury situation we will struggle

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #237 on: December 29, 2012, 06:51:22 PM »
What we need is a 6 foot 5, built like a brick shitehouse midfielder who gets stuck in. Our midfield is too lightweight. A leader at the back wouldn't do any harm  either.

Three players, right up the middle of the pitch.

Yes, and we also need to bring the likes of Bent, N'Zogbia and Wanrnock back. We may not be their biggest fans but we need their experience in the team. We look like someone lifted a League 2 outfit and placed them into Villa shirts

Bent and Zog have been injured, and I'd play Neil Warnock before Stephen.

Our fullbacks are woeful. Warnock would be an improvement even if it's just for his experience alone.

I don't really think Lowton has been woeful.

Benteke aside there's not a single player in that team worthy of Aston Villa FC. I've been saying it for months - this team is worse than 86-87.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #238 on: December 29, 2012, 06:54:12 PM »
Getting tired of all this 'In Lambert we trust' bollocks, this is the worst side I have seen in a very long time, on a par with the 1969 and 1987 sides, both relegated, and both, coincidentally, teams going the young players route, always Villa's default setting when things are going wrong.
We need a major shift in policy to keep us up, I've been saying all season Lambert's tactics are clueless, he is no coach.
He is purely a motivator who wants to work with the sort of player who will follow his instructions wthout question, and cannot clearly work with senior players.
They are just the sort of player that we need to get us out of this mess, but I don't think he will buy them, just more 'young, hungry' players who will 'go again and give their all'.
Relegation is now staring us all in the face, I'm afraid, and Mr. Lerner needs to do something clear and decisive, for once.
 

Spot on in my opinion.

If we just bring in more young and hungry players in January, I am going to stake a decent wad on us going down. The only thing i can think of which would be a more spectacularly stupid course by the club would be to buy nobody.

Lerner needs to wake up, quickly. This Ajax dream is not going to happen at Villa, they're totally incomparable clubs.

Incidentally, the solution to the wage bill is instant next season - the new television deal. It'd be supreme fuckwittery on Lerner's part to obsess about it so much that he got us relegated and missed out on the solution.

Does he really care anymore though - he seems to have lost interest .

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Re: Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread
« Reply #239 on: December 29, 2012, 06:55:04 PM »
When Mr Lerner bought Aston Villa he did so because he knew it would prove to be a good investment.

1: There was the lure of the sunny uplands of European football with all of the associated banknotes and kudos. (When that gamble failed he obviously lost his nerve and began the business of a very serious retrenchment - his consolation being the money earned from the interest on loans to the club and the facilitation fees for those loans).

2: Leaving aside the possibility that Mr Lerner, in the long term, was looking towards the formation of a European League; and/or the abolition of relegation; and/or an imposition of a maximum wage; and/or increased revenue streams from television rights (especially if the club were to bypass Sky, ESPN et al) -  he must have felt safe in a supposition that whatever happened his original investment was guaranteed to give a good return.

However if Mr Lerner had the least idea about running a football club in the Premier League why did he do the following:

1: Appoint as a Director, in General Krulak, a makeweight firewall whose PR fuckwittery in the end seemed to be looking to rival the surrealistic utterings of Tariq Aziz.

2: Appoint as manager, in Houllier (a man with a well-known heart condition), someone who was not free to assume the manager's job until he had given his previous employer several week's notice (and who then went on to describe his new employers - a club that had finished in the top six for three consecutive seasons - as a side who should not realistically expect to finish much higher than mid-table) .

3: Appoint as manager, in McLeish, someone who who nobody in their right mind would ever encourage to go near Villa Park unless he had been trained in the rustling of fried onions.

4: Appoint as Chief Executive Paul Faulkner.

I don't for one minute think that Mr Lerner will allow his investment to be devalued by relegation (cf the purchase of Darren Bent) but I do worry that pressure will be applied on Paul Lambert to either recall Hutton and Warnock (there must've been a reason they were shipped out so precipitately) or to buy journeyman players that will suck more money out of the club and prevent the progress of the youngsters (with no guarantee that relegation will be avoided).

To wit: apart from the uselessness of Lerner and Faulkner, stick with what we've got: Paul Lambert has a plan and we've got more than a few useful youngsters - if it all ends in tears in the second tier then so what - we'll soon be back.

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