Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread

[saunders_heroes]

Randy was there today. If he doesn't back Lambert in Jan after watching that there's no hope for us. As it is there's precious little. We are in massive bother now.

How do you know he was there? I hope he was. He like us, will then know just how appalling wewere today.

[sirlordbaltimore]

We can't sack Lambert. It may not be delivering anything, but his plan is the only concrete thing we have had to go on since 2010

What exactly is this plan ?

[ktvillan]

Comparing this season to last season after 20 games (when we stood 11th):

5 less points; 7 less goals scored ; 10 more goals conceeded

Jesus. That's worrying

what has that got to do with our present situation? do you pine for those days? do you want tsm back, no it aint good but your comments aint gonig to help anyone?

Well clearly the relevance is that it provides a bit of context for where we are now - worse off than we were under one of the worst managers we've ever had.  And a bit of food for thought for those still supporting/making excuses for (delete as appropriate) Lambert.   Of whom I am one, but he really is starting to test my support.   I think he needs to be given a chance to do something in  the window though.

[tomd2103]

The fundamental flaw was the lack of premier league experience. That was his decision, his policy and it is not working and shows no signs of working. I've seen a few 'with hindsight' comments, but there was plenty of us worried about it back in the summer. I don't really want to change manager now, sometimes you just have to stick it out.

If we had a vaguely competent board, I would want them to call an urgent meeting to get some answers from PL, and a list of targets. If its more of the same, then maybe get rid.  Unfortunately the board have shown any signs of competence since the halcyon days of the takeover.

Listened to him being interviewed by Pat Murphy on the way back from the game and when asked about the policy of buying inexperienced players, he replied something along the lines of "that's the way they at the club want to go".  As has been the case since Lerner took over, the fans are totally in the dark when it comes to what the heirarchy at the club are thinking.

[Chrisupnorth]

Getting rid of Lambert will cost a lot of money, I don't understand in a game where results are a key, manager why contracts aren't a rolling year based on results and a significant bonus when successful. The way it is at present, managers have 4 years at ?million a year and if the fail they move on with a big payout when they are sacked.

Must be one of the few jobs where you can be sacked for being unsuccessful and get another job a bit later on when people have forgotten about your failure, e.g. McLeish.

Forest getting rid of O'Driscoll when close to the play off positions and bringing in a dead leg like AM shows how much owners are clueless.

Not so sure about that Boz.  Ref. George Entwhistle.  I'm sure there are more.

[London Villan]

Surely you set up a team to get the best out of the players you have?

352 with one orthodox centre half is crackers, especially when it's cost 12 goals in the previous two games.

451 - even if it meant drawing at home.

Albrighton, Westwood, Holman, Ireland or Bannan and Weimann would have been a lot more solid.

[myf]

i think Lambert has been shown up big time today in tactical terms. its one thing being beaten by chelsea and spurs but something else to be beaten so convincingly by wigan at home. martinez got it spot on with their midfield and wing backs nullifying our fragile midfield

i don't fancy our chances at all now. pretty much a whole team needs to bought in Jan

[PaulWinch again]

Lerner sort this club out.

[villadelph]

What if we get battered by Swans?

What if?  Good lad, you keep looking on the bright side.

Bright side?! What bright side?

We're giving up soft goals to no name Wigan players, Swansea can actually play the ball about and earn a goal. They play good football and we look like an elementary defense.

Bright side.. lol, ya loon.

[Villafirst]

WM radio interview with PL gives me zero confidence

[Oscar Arce]

Getting tired of all this 'In Lambert we trust' bollocks, this is the worst side I have seen in a very long time, on a par with the 1969 and 1987 sides, both relegated, and both, coincidentally, teams going the young players route, always Villa's default setting when things are going wrong.
We need a major shift in policy to keep us up, I've been saying all season Lambert's tactics are clueless, he is no coach.
He is purely a motivator who wants to work with the sort of player who will follow his instructions wthout question, and cannot clearly work with senior players.
They are just the sort of player that we need to get us out of this mess, but I don't think he will buy them, just more 'young, hungry' players who will 'go again and give their all'.
Relegation is now staring us all in the face, I'm afraid, and Mr. Lerner needs to do something clear and decisive, for once.
 

[Jon Crofts]

Lerner sort this club out.

Really?  You'd trust him to do that? 
He's proven over the last 3 years he can't be trusted, he hasn't got a clue about running a football club.

[Jimbo]

The fundamental flaw was the lack of premier league experience. That was his decision, his policy and it is not working and shows no signs of working. I've seen a few 'with hindsight' comments, but there was plenty of us worried about it back in the summer. I don't really want to change manager now, sometimes you just have to stick it out.

If we had a vaguely competent board, I would want them to call an urgent meeting to get some answers from PL, and a list of targets. If its more of the same, then maybe get rid.  Unfortunately the board have shown any signs of competence since the halcyon days of the takeover.

Listened to him being interviewed by Pat Murphy on the way back from the game and when asked about the policy of buying inexperienced players, he replied something along the lines of "that's the way they at the club want to go".  As has been the case since Lerner took over, the fans are totally in the dark when it comes to what the heirarchy at the club are thinking.

I think this has been the directive that's engineered our downfall. Lerner has and will back Lambert to buy players, but not players who demand high or Premier league standard wages. As such, Lambert's hands are tied. The £20 million we spent in the summer is a smokescreen. It's not the transfer fees that matter, it's the wages. Hence, zero experienced PL players, and zero stability.

[Des Little]

Randy was there today. If he doesn't back Lambert in Jan after watching that there's no hope for us. As it is there's precious little. We are in massive bother now.

How do you know he was there? I hope he was. He like us, will then know just how appalling wewere today.

I saw him. Unless we've had a waxwork of him placed in the directors box that is.

[frank black]

We can't sack Lambert. It may not be delivering anything, but his plan is the only concrete thing we have had to go on since 2010

What exactly is this plan ?

Its a cunning plan ala baldrick.