Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Post-Match Thread

[Stu]

Shambolic.  The picture of Lambert with his head in hands on the BBC website sums him up.  Bereft of ideas and ability to organise and lift the team.  I expect it'll be another rendition of "we'll pick ourselves up and go again" but he doesn't actually pick them up.  He's worse than McLeish, much much worse.

I'm furious now Risso, but he's not much much worse. He should have the opportunity to address it in January, but time's running out.

I kept fucking saying this towards the start of the season - it's unrealistic to assume that an entirely new team, playing a system that is entirely new to them, will learn 'on the job' when games come along in such quick succession. I didn't think the plan boded well in August, and it looks fucking insane now.

What a load of fucking shit, Villa. Everyone at the club, owner, board, manager, players ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. I was just sad about things earlier as I said, but I'm fucking livid now. SPEND SOME FUCKING MONEY ON THE TEAM.

[Apyadg]

6 wins all year in the league ..6 fucking wins in 12 months !!!
Sack Lambert ..who the fuck else could we get in now ...

I wonder what Di Matteo's up to..

[PaulWinch again]

I don't want to hear, 'we'll pick ourselves up and go again' because it's not fucking happening. Chelsea and Spurs I expected to lose, albeit not in such an embarrassing manner. However Wigan at home and getting hammered is another story, that was disgusting. Less of 'we'll give it our best shot', I want to hear exactly how we turn these sorts of results around.

[Billy Walker]

Shambles somehow not in the bottom three.Need players but to be honest despite the young players the fact Lambert and his team can not get a team to defend worries me

Good old Stoke!  I thought we were in the bottom three.

I thought we were getting there defensively until the Chelsea game.  I think the confidence has gone from some of the lads and they need resting.  It's a big transfer window coming up and we desperately need our injured players back.  It's been a wretched Christmas football-wise (I can't think of such a poor sequence of results since I started following Villa) BUT I don't think we are down and out.  We have to regroup and get stronger from all of this.  Just as quickly as disappearing, the form can return and we have to keep positive and lift the manager and players.

[TonyD]

It's not all bad.  We are showing signs of improving.   Lost by only 3.  Not 4 or 8. 

[adrenachrome]

Good to meet PeterWithesShin before the game.

We are going down.

[TonyDaleysHair]

Ignoring the goal difference we are no better off than where I thought we would be after the last 4 games except we beat Liverpool but lost to Wigan.

It is pretty hard to look past 15 conceded without reply however, whoever your playing, even worse when you throw a Wigan in on an atrocious run.

[JUAN PABLO]

While some claim they're seeing a bigger picture, some claim they're seeing improvements, and some claim we're going in the right direction. I'm just seeing a truly awful team.

Not just of late, ALL season. People keep banging on 'What about Norwich away, what about Liverpool away ?'. WHAT ABOUT THEM ?. In either game we could've conceeded numerous goals, but we won both. Were they the norm or the exceptions ?. Before those we had truly wretched performances against QPR, Reading and Stoke. Those three performances would've been booed out the city under McLeish last season. This season I was assured they were great as we didn't lose.

Apparently a couple of sideways passes on the floor every now and again means we're now 'playing football'. Not to me it doesn't. Any team in the world will allow you to pass the ball aimlessly around the middle third where you have no chance of hurting them.

At Forest pre season, I was concerned. At West Ham on the opening day I was dejected. Ever since i've been watching aimless football, with no passion or style. Yet i've almost been convinced my own eyes need testing as i keep reading others posting things about my club that i'm clearly not seeing myself. I know we all see things differently, but i'm surprised how differently.

To sum up, it's abysmal. I've got less confidence than I had last season and that's saying something.

If Lambert offered his resignation tonight i'd be delighted. If Lerner announced he's put the club up for sale i'd be even happier. Neither are ever going to take this club forward. I've seen NOTHING from Lambert's 'revolution' to suggest anything other than more of the same is to come.

Someone text me today 'we've got 10 players out'. I thought yes, but of those he'd probably only have picked Gabby and Vlaar. Hardly world beaters.

I was told 'we need experience'. I thought, funny that. When he could pick the likes of Bent, N'Zogbia, Given he chose not to. He also farmed out (the admittedly pretty useless, but experienced) Hutton & Warnock without having any cover for them.

It was an appointment most of us were ok with, but it's clearly not working at all. I'm not seeing any tactical nous, and i'm not seeing any man management either. What are Lambert's actual qualities ?

That's me. You don't have to agree.

best post up to now

[ktvillan]

Echoes of the nadirs of the 60s and mid 80s about this slump.

At least Albrighton looked better when he came on and Bowery showed some nice touches.

I thought we only needed a midfield in the window, but it now looks as if we need a defence as well.  And possibly a forward line. 

The strategy of inexperience and youth was always high risk and it was just about holding together until recently.  A few injuries have seen the wheels fall right off, not helped by Lambert's stubborn persistence with the 3-5-2 shape when it was clear we are shit at it.  PL is possibly fortunate Deadly Doug isn't still in charge tonight.

Get yer wallet out Randy.

[Somniloquism]

It's not all bad.  We are showing signs of improving.   Lost by only 3.  Not 4 or 8.

That was my thought as well. When we play Southampton we might be able to keep a clean sheet again.

[UK Redsox]

As SLB said, the Liverpool game could easily have seen Villa down by a few goals, so we could now be looking at four straight thrashings.

[curlytailavfc]

it was dire no idea headless chickens

[Goldie.7]

We are running out of games and we need points we cannot continue with Lambert 4 wins (none convincing) out of 20 is only going to lead to disaster for us.

 

[JUAN PABLO]

I don't want to hear, 'we'll pick ourselves up and go again' because it's not fucking happening. Chelsea and Spurs I expected to lose, albeit not in such an embarrassing manner. However Wigan at home and getting hammered is another story, that was disgusting. Less of 'we'll give it our best shot', I want to hear exactly how we turn these sorts of results around.

the scary thing is Chelses should have had 13 , spurzz 8 and Wigan 6

[andyh]

Ignoring the goal difference we are no better off than where I thought we would be after the last 4 games except we beat Liverpool but lost to Wigan.

Whoop de fucking woo !!!