Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Post-Match Thread

[dave.woodhall]

Nobody would ever accuse you of not being fully behind Lerner, Dave.

Some of us can see a bit further than the end of our nose.

So what is it that you actually see Dave?

At the moment all that I can see is a long hard slog and a very high possibility of relegation after all the early promise of Lerner's tenure.   

It's a genuine question from a life-long supporter who is really hurting at the moment.

What I see is the same position we're in regularly. A few good years, a couple of bad ones, same as every other club of our size. I see a manager who was the popular choice six months ago and was backed with a fair chunk of money in the summer. Or are we going to spend the rest of our lives saying "(Insert name of chairman here)  Out" every time things go wrong?

[OzVilla]

Are people really buying the idea that its motivation as to why we're falling short?

I hope not as i think it's obvious that we are suffering from inexperience and a genuine lack of quality, particularly in midfield.

[pauliewalnuts]

I saw a highly motivated Delph get about the park tonight

As ever, his tackles are woefully mistimed.

Absolutely incredible that we spent £6m on him.

8m.

He's fucking rubbish, I appreciate he has had his injury woes, but I have genuinely seen next to nothing that makes me think he is, or may become, good enough.

On top of that, he's utterly fucking brainless. When it comes to fuckwitted interventions or card-worthy challenges, he rivals that other dickhead Hutton.

[bertlambshank]

Dave what is the latest that you have heard regarding Randy?
Has he lost interest or just taking a back seat?

[dave.woodhall]

Dave what is the latest that you have heard regarding Randy?
Has he lost interest or just taking a back seat?

I've heard nothing at all, and to be honest I never have.

[brian green]

Yes, I believe that our players lack motivation at critical points in many of our games.   Shoulders slump, heads go down, players ball watch while their team mates have to cover for them.   I believe that there is a lot of POTENTIAL in a good proportion of our squad.  That potential is not being harnessed or directed sufficiently well.   In my book that is motivation.   Others may see it differently.

[Ads]

Dave, have you been able to read Randy's latest CBT report?

[itbrvilla]

Yes, I believe that our players lack motivation at critical points in many of our games.   Shoulders slump, heads go down, players ball watch while their team mates have to cover for them.   I believe that there is a lot of POTENTIAL in a good proportion of our squad.  That potential is not being harnessed or directed sufficiently well.   In my book that is motivation.   Others may see it differently.

Must say I agree with that. We really are lacking leadership throughout the whole club at the moment. None on the pitch, on the touchline/training pitch or in the boardroom.

[bertlambshank]

Dave what is the latest that you have heard regarding Randy?
Has he lost interest or just taking a back seat?

I've heard nothing at all, and to be honest I never have.

Cheers for that Dave,I did hear something today about more costcutting(from a steward.....I know)
And was giving randy dogs abuse.

[OzVilla]

Nobody would ever accuse you of not being fully behind Lerner, Dave.

Some of us can see a bit further than the end of our nose.

So what is it that you actually see Dave?

At the moment all that I can see is a long hard slog and a very high possibility of relegation after all the early promise of Lerner's tenure.   

It's a genuine question from a life-long supporter who is really hurting at the moment.

What I see is the same position we're in regularly. A few good years, a couple of bad ones, same as every other club of our size. I see a manager who was the popular choice six months ago and was backed with a fair chunk of money in the summer. Or are we going to spend the rest of our lives saying "(Insert name of chairman here)  Out" every time things go wrong?

I've followed the Villa for over 35 years so I understand what you're saying, however times have changed and this feels different.  There is a clear trend over the last few seasons of decline which if unchecked will inevitably lead to relegation.  Maybe that's not the end of the world, maybe it will be, but tha's where we'll be heading unless something changes.

I like Lambert but football is not what it once was, GT1 would have struggled in todays landscape.  Teams need continual investment, stability and a strong leadership, never has the man in charge of a Club (the Chairman) been so fundamental in a Clubs success as they are nowadays.  We've lacked all of these in qualities from the top man in recent years.

I think he's directly responsible for where we find ourselves right now.

[silhillvilla]

I saw the same problems today as I saw at Forest away in July. Absolutely nothing had improved, in fact it's got worse.

[pauliewalnuts]

Nobody would ever accuse you of not being fully behind Lerner, Dave.

Some of us can see a bit further than the end of our nose.

So what is it that you actually see Dave?

At the moment all that I can see is a long hard slog and a very high possibility of relegation after all the early promise of Lerner's tenure.   

It's a genuine question from a life-long supporter who is really hurting at the moment.

What I see is the same position we're in regularly. A few good years, a couple of bad ones, same as every other club of our size. I see a manager who was the popular choice six months ago and was backed with a fair chunk of money in the summer. Or are we going to spend the rest of our lives saying "(Insert name of chairman here)  Out" every time things go wrong?

Hmmm.

Not too sure about that. This is now three years fighting relegation. I can think of a few clubs our size who haven't had a spell like that for a while.

I don't want Randy out. I want him to start running the club in a way that doesn't make it look like a constant struggle against oblivion.

Whatever one's general opinion on Randy, it is hard to be impressed with leadership which has led to vast spending, huge debt, and at the end of all that, a squad that looks poor when compared to Wigan's.

It is even less inspiring when you look at the way they dropped the happy marketing the minute it went pear shaped, and the fact he never turns up any more.

If we are going to be all hands to the pump fighting relegation again then it'd be nice to think we were all in this together.

As it is, Randy is nowhere to be seen, and we have a manager struggling to defend the performances of a bunch of kids.

The wage bill might look better, but ultimately, buy a load of cheap wage championship players, an unless you're a true management genius, you are really going to struggle.

Lambert has made his mistakes this season, that's true, but ultimately the stewardship of the club is down to Randy. Right now it looks yet again like he's running it by email. Badly.

[Drummond]

-21 goal difference.

We lost by 12 over the last two and 5 against Man City. Shocking results, worse than we'd hoped but those defeats weren't a surprise.

It's a very young team who have been torn apart by teams that won the league, won the champions league and have been in and around champions league places and in Europe for years.

It's not nice but these players are learning the hard way.

I expect us to do reasonably well against Wigan and pick things up.

If nothing else this proves that there really is a gulf between the top clubs and the rest. Seasoned professionals wouldn't necessarily have met as many in but let's face it, we've been stuffed by Chelsea, Newcastle and others Iver the past couple of years.

We need Stan back, we need a couple if wiser heads and we'll be fine.

Lambert needs support. The kids need it too.

[rob_bridge]

Shamelessly boring from me I'm afraid, Milner covered a lot other people's tracks in 2009-10. We have never got near to replacing him. In fact I doubt anyone at the club acknowledges this - Ireland, Makoun, Jenas, Bannan, KEA (I can add one or two other names) it is like a sick joke

This was combined at the time with the perfect storm of an egotistical manager walking out, followed by the hiring of an arrogant, aloof has-been and then subsequently replaced by a manager (someone even worse) who was inept and deluded beyond belief.

Oh and we have not much money for wages because there are so many overpaid fucking lamers (see all 3 managers above) sitting on the bench because their attitude is appaling and as such they are no better than those on the pitch.

Roll on Saturday - I don't have a good record when it comes to taking a guest to Villa Park (though the Toffee fan enjoyed the 3-3 on Easter Sunday a few years back). Hope this changes on Saturday.

[Brian Taylor]

Unforgivable!! and I have to listen to the diminuative cockney f*ck wit about how good the spuds are...unforgivable!!
Wtf Villa!! This is real life!