I thought in the 5-3-2 Bennett looked to have potential first half.
Quote from: ozzjim on December 26, 2012, 07:33:56 PMThe facts are we were the 4-5th biggest net spenders last summer, and over the last few years in the prem it is the same. So blaming the chairman is all well and good, but does not tell the whole story. The money has been spent poorly in the most part. Last summer Lambert did very well to get the players he did for the money spent. We have lost 2 games that most of us all expected to lose. Sure by a few more than we would expect, but we have Wigan at home next after a run of Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs, all 3 in good form. That is tough, and we got 3 points. Not the end of the world. We need Vlaar back asap, we need Bannan back in the side, and I hope Westwood and Baker are not out for long.Today we did ok in terms of stopping them first half, but losing Baker was a real blow, he was playing well and Herd had a nightmare. No question it has not been good enough last 2 games, but we have the chance to get back on track against Wigan, and then January. We have to sign a centre half, a central midfield player and a forward who would all walk into our side. Agree with this common sense post lacking the hysterical notes of most others
The facts are we were the 4-5th biggest net spenders last summer, and over the last few years in the prem it is the same. So blaming the chairman is all well and good, but does not tell the whole story. The money has been spent poorly in the most part. Last summer Lambert did very well to get the players he did for the money spent. We have lost 2 games that most of us all expected to lose. Sure by a few more than we would expect, but we have Wigan at home next after a run of Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs, all 3 in good form. That is tough, and we got 3 points. Not the end of the world. We need Vlaar back asap, we need Bannan back in the side, and I hope Westwood and Baker are not out for long.Today we did ok in terms of stopping them first half, but losing Baker was a real blow, he was playing well and Herd had a nightmare. No question it has not been good enough last 2 games, but we have the chance to get back on track against Wigan, and then January. We have to sign a centre half, a central midfield player and a forward who would all walk into our side.
I turned down an invitation to a christmas soiree to stay at home and watch that shit on tv tonight. So its not all bad.
We lack a dominant presence, we don't have enough bite and athleticism in there, and we don't have enough drive and pacy aggression. In short, we need two new midfielders, both seasoned pros able to slot straight in: one a battler and leader, and one a tricky player who can beat a man and run at a defence.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 26, 2012, 07:33:24 PMQuote from: Fergal on December 26, 2012, 07:32:24 PMQuote from: Rissbert on December 26, 2012, 07:28:47 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on December 26, 2012, 07:26:42 PMToo many kids, too many of whom are not good enough.Too many lower leagues, low wages players.Not enough experience.The natural reaction is to vent at the manager, but really, this is just another symptom of the dreadful management of the club by Lerner and Faulkner,.I can't even look at the teams around us and take comfort from the fact that we've a stronger squad, better players than them, because we haven't.I totally understand what Lambert is trying to do, and I like it when it works, but the fact of the matter is, we have nowhere near sufficient quality in the side.Some - Bennett, Herd, Delph - are quite clearly nothing like good enough. Some - KEA, Ireland - are probably good enough but don't show anything like enough desire to prove they are.Lerner needs to take a look at where we are and reflect on how his stewardship of the club has gone the last few years.He spent 20m on players though, and few of those players are anywhere near good enough. ANY manager serving up an 8-0 and a 4-0 loss at home needs to have a long, hard look at themselves.20M is a drop in the ocean for what we need to spend to turn us into a top 6 team again....Forget any idea of becoming a top six team for years yet.We have to focus on proving we deserve to be a Premier League side, because on the evidence of the last two games, and many games before that, we don'tWhat should we aspire to be then? Stoke?
Quote from: Fergal on December 26, 2012, 07:32:24 PMQuote from: Rissbert on December 26, 2012, 07:28:47 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on December 26, 2012, 07:26:42 PMToo many kids, too many of whom are not good enough.Too many lower leagues, low wages players.Not enough experience.The natural reaction is to vent at the manager, but really, this is just another symptom of the dreadful management of the club by Lerner and Faulkner,.I can't even look at the teams around us and take comfort from the fact that we've a stronger squad, better players than them, because we haven't.I totally understand what Lambert is trying to do, and I like it when it works, but the fact of the matter is, we have nowhere near sufficient quality in the side.Some - Bennett, Herd, Delph - are quite clearly nothing like good enough. Some - KEA, Ireland - are probably good enough but don't show anything like enough desire to prove they are.Lerner needs to take a look at where we are and reflect on how his stewardship of the club has gone the last few years.He spent 20m on players though, and few of those players are anywhere near good enough. ANY manager serving up an 8-0 and a 4-0 loss at home needs to have a long, hard look at themselves.20M is a drop in the ocean for what we need to spend to turn us into a top 6 team again....Forget any idea of becoming a top six team for years yet.We have to focus on proving we deserve to be a Premier League side, because on the evidence of the last two games, and many games before that, we don't
Quote from: Rissbert on December 26, 2012, 07:28:47 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on December 26, 2012, 07:26:42 PMToo many kids, too many of whom are not good enough.Too many lower leagues, low wages players.Not enough experience.The natural reaction is to vent at the manager, but really, this is just another symptom of the dreadful management of the club by Lerner and Faulkner,.I can't even look at the teams around us and take comfort from the fact that we've a stronger squad, better players than them, because we haven't.I totally understand what Lambert is trying to do, and I like it when it works, but the fact of the matter is, we have nowhere near sufficient quality in the side.Some - Bennett, Herd, Delph - are quite clearly nothing like good enough. Some - KEA, Ireland - are probably good enough but don't show anything like enough desire to prove they are.Lerner needs to take a look at where we are and reflect on how his stewardship of the club has gone the last few years.He spent 20m on players though, and few of those players are anywhere near good enough. ANY manager serving up an 8-0 and a 4-0 loss at home needs to have a long, hard look at themselves.20M is a drop in the ocean for what we need to spend to turn us into a top 6 team again....
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 26, 2012, 07:26:42 PMToo many kids, too many of whom are not good enough.Too many lower leagues, low wages players.Not enough experience.The natural reaction is to vent at the manager, but really, this is just another symptom of the dreadful management of the club by Lerner and Faulkner,.I can't even look at the teams around us and take comfort from the fact that we've a stronger squad, better players than them, because we haven't.I totally understand what Lambert is trying to do, and I like it when it works, but the fact of the matter is, we have nowhere near sufficient quality in the side.Some - Bennett, Herd, Delph - are quite clearly nothing like good enough. Some - KEA, Ireland - are probably good enough but don't show anything like enough desire to prove they are.Lerner needs to take a look at where we are and reflect on how his stewardship of the club has gone the last few years.He spent 20m on players though, and few of those players are anywhere near good enough. ANY manager serving up an 8-0 and a 4-0 loss at home needs to have a long, hard look at themselves.
Too many kids, too many of whom are not good enough.Too many lower leagues, low wages players.Not enough experience.The natural reaction is to vent at the manager, but really, this is just another symptom of the dreadful management of the club by Lerner and Faulkner,.I can't even look at the teams around us and take comfort from the fact that we've a stronger squad, better players than them, because we haven't.I totally understand what Lambert is trying to do, and I like it when it works, but the fact of the matter is, we have nowhere near sufficient quality in the side.Some - Bennett, Herd, Delph - are quite clearly nothing like good enough. Some - KEA, Ireland - are probably good enough but don't show anything like enough desire to prove they are.Lerner needs to take a look at where we are and reflect on how his stewardship of the club has gone the last few years.
Quote from: NorthYvillan on December 26, 2012, 07:36:34 PMQuote from: ozzjim on December 26, 2012, 07:33:56 PMThe facts are we were the 4-5th biggest net spenders last summer, and over the last few years in the prem it is the same. So blaming the chairman is all well and good, but does not tell the whole story. The money has been spent poorly in the most part. Last summer Lambert did very well to get the players he did for the money spent. We have lost 2 games that most of us all expected to lose. Sure by a few more than we would expect, but we have Wigan at home next after a run of Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs, all 3 in good form. That is tough, and we got 3 points. Not the end of the world. We need Vlaar back asap, we need Bannan back in the side, and I hope Westwood and Baker are not out for long.Today we did ok in terms of stopping them first half, but losing Baker was a real blow, he was playing well and Herd had a nightmare. No question it has not been good enough last 2 games, but we have the chance to get back on track against Wigan, and then January. We have to sign a centre half, a central midfield player and a forward who would all walk into our side. Agree with this common sense post lacking the hysterical notes of most othersSome of us are venting our spleen because we are in pain at the moment. Give us a day or two and we will start to see reason and look at the big picture...
Quote from: SamTheMouse on December 26, 2012, 07:42:21 PMWe lack a dominant presence, we don't have enough bite and athleticism in there, and we don't have enough drive and pacy aggression. In short, we need two new midfielders, both seasoned pros able to slot straight in: one a battler and leader, and one a tricky player who can beat a man and run at a defence.Yup.I reckon that's about right.The problem is - we need to buy them all in January, which is never easy, and we need to persuade the chairman to add them to the wage bill, which I suspect will be even less easy.
Not sure why Delph is getting the stick, at least he tried to be positive, and kept trying. Lowtons poor positional play , yet again , gave 2 goals away, and i've never been sure why Clark is so highly rated. Unfortunately, we don't judge ourselves against Spuds and Chelsk anymore, more against teams like Wigan.If we win on Saturday we are 6 points out of relegation, the time to worry is on sat if we don't win. I've always been a fan of Ireland, but he looked inexcusably disinterested tonight, and Albrighton keeps giving the ball away. The truth is, that out of KEA, Westwood, Bannan and Delph, only one of them should be playing,alongside a big powerful, strong athletic defensive midfielder.Holman is no more than a squad player, as is Gabby.Benteke needs better support.I actually thinlk Bennett is a better FB than Lowton. If we have the money, then we need at least 2 players now, good quality players who will come in straight to the 1st team.Players who will cost at least £10m each.Then in the summer get rid of the over paid dross like Gabby, Ireland Given and Dunne, and invest in good up and coming players with a bit of pride, but a lot of ability. Good crowd support at the end, we need it, no point getting rid of PL, can't afford it, get us back to square 1. UTV
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 26, 2012, 07:43:29 PMQuote from: SamTheMouse on December 26, 2012, 07:42:21 PMWe lack a dominant presence, we don't have enough bite and athleticism in there, and we don't have enough drive and pacy aggression. In short, we need two new midfielders, both seasoned pros able to slot straight in: one a battler and leader, and one a tricky player who can beat a man and run at a defence.Yup.I reckon that's about right.The problem is - we need to buy them all in January, which is never easy, and we need to persuade the chairman to add them to the wage bill, which I suspect will be even less easy.I think he could be persuaded to cough up if someone shows him the league table. It worked when Houllier asked him to buy Bent. A businessman has to protect his investment, after all.
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