Things I've heard on here this season

[pauliewalnuts]

My issue with Houllier wasn't that I thought he was incompetent - his record clearly shows he knows what he's talking about.

It was just that he came across as such a patronising ****** from day one, and dropped a series of gaffes that ensured that when he really, really needed the support of the fans, there wasn't any goodwill left, we were all so sick to the tits of all that Liverpool bullshit.

Lambert's record - let's not kid ourselves - if you look at the league, is still poor, but people are prepared to give him time because we've seen way more in the way we play than we are actually getting in terms of points, and because he comes across as credible, knowledgeable, and dedicated to the job, rather than considering us lucky to have him, which was Houllier's approach.

I dont know how much of our picking up of form at the end of the Houllier year was down to injured players returning, or the fact that Houllier was off the scene and Gary Mac was running it, but it does make you wonder.

It has to be said, the Houllier and McLeish years were fucking terrible.  It was truly gobsmacking how quickly we regressed.

The thing that made last year worse for me was that it all just felt so helpless, that we were doomed to misery while that miserable, negative git was at the club.

[danno]

My issue with Houllier wasn't that I thought he was incompetent - his record clearly shows he knows what he's talking about.

It was just that he came across as such a patronising c*** from day one, and dropped a series of gaffes that ensured that when he really, really needed the support of the fans, there wasn't any goodwill left, we were all so sick to the tits of all that Liverpool bullshit.

We ended our terrible home record against them at the end of that season.
Then sold them the goalscorer for £20 million, (who has been so rubbish since, he's been told to find a new club).

It can't all just be coincidence can it? 

[pauliewalnuts]

My issue with Houllier wasn't that I thought he was incompetent - his record clearly shows he knows what he's talking about.

It was just that he came across as such a patronising c*** from day one, and dropped a series of gaffes that ensured that when he really, really needed the support of the fans, there wasn't any goodwill left, we were all so sick to the tits of all that Liverpool bullshit.

We ended our terrible record against them at the end of that season.
Then sold them the goalscorer for £20 million, (who has been so rubbish since, he's been told to find a new club).

It can't all just be coincidence can it? 

I must say, that turned out quite well.

[Percy McCarthy]

Of course, the final nail in the coffin of Le Clown's 'can't change the defence' bollocks was the fact that he had changed it, from a ruthlessly efficient one into a shambles staffed by the same players.

He could have said 'I've looked at the stats, and you were brilliant at defending set-peices last season - just go back to what you were doing'.

[pauliewalnuts]

Crikey, he's left a scar with you that'll take a while to heal, hasn't he?

[Percy McCarthy]

I hated him more than TSM.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Chris Smith, Chris Smith. They're moaning about ex-managers again

Your bitter divorcees line is required.

[danno]

the one about mascara and lambrini...

[not3bad]

Can we do Gregory next?  He still gets on my tits.

[Somniloquism]

So Percy, you are on the side of players who decided to get drunk and push Sid over a table?

I'm not dropping Houllier of all responsibility as they obviously didn't like him or his methods but the players did themselves no favours by deciding to not play to the same abilities they could. Also as mentioned we also lost the industry of Milner in midfield to shield the same back four.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

So Percy, you are on the side of players who decided to get drunk and push Sid over a table?
.

No.

It was that C.unt Captain Beaky.

[Monty]

Or players who rebelled at being asked to actually train, and to work in training at that. No, Houllier's time with us was a disaster, in many ways, but those players were and are utter wankers.

[Somniloquism]

Houllier was not even a glint in Lerner's eye when Dunne decided to come back for summer training twice the size. Neither MON or Macdonald seemed to do anything about that so GH had to try to get him into shape and he didn't like it.

[Percy McCarthy]

Agreed about the players, but the bullshit about defending set-peices was him talking to us like we're fucking idiots.

The Liverpool thing was him treating our club like shit.

The Man City thing was cowardice and surrender, which I'll forgive him for as he's French.

[LeeB]

An important point as well is that our good defensive record under MON wasn't wholly to do with that back four. Our conservative style and shape meant we were very rarely counter-attacked against, and we looked pretty plodding going forward unless we ourselves could counter (which became increasingly rare). GH tried to change to a more stylish, pro-active style and it blew up in his face, not least because those defenders who had coped fine as blockers were nowhere near good enough to defend high up the pitch.

That's how I saw it.