No Respect

[Mazrim]

Regarding the original intent of this thread. I think it is long past time to stop the 19 minutes applause. The no respect song makes me cringe and is not worthy of Aston Villa.

[dave.woodhall]

Just to make it clear, I wasn't referring to anyone on here when I talked about pointscoring.

[Risso]

Is the 19th minute thing still a club sponsored initiative, or does it just happen spontaneously amongst the crowd?  Might be an idea for them to come up with a statement that gently backs away from it, although I suspect it is too late to get the "No Respect" song back in its Pandora's Box.

[pauliewalnuts]

The idea is a fine one, and I think it should be kept on.

The people spoiling it are the pricks with their No Respect bullshit. How embarassing.

[PeterWithesShin]

Is the 19th minute thing still a club sponsored initiative, or does it just happen spontaneously amongst the crowd?  Might be an idea for them to come up with a statement that gently backs away from it, although I suspect it is too late to get the "No Respect" song back in its Pandora's Box.

Seems to be that now it's a case of when the fans start applauding then the video screens go to the support Stan message rather than it appears the second we hit the 19th minute like it did before. I could be wrong though.

[saunders_heroes]

Is the 19th minute thing still a club sponsored initiative, or does it just happen spontaneously amongst the crowd?  Might be an idea for them to come up with a statement that gently backs away from it, although I suspect it is too late to get the "No Respect" song back in its Pandora's Box.

Yes it's a club sponsored thing. A picture of Petrov appears on the big screens with "19" and the applause starts.
I'd like to see an end to it. It's too much.

[danno]

Regarding the original intent of this thread. I think it is long past time to stop the 19 minutes applause. The no respect song makes me cringe and is not worthy of Aston Villa.

I think the only ways I can see it ending are, if it peters out naturally. The return to action of stan the man. Or some sort of announcement involving Stiliyan himself, saying he's grateful of all the support but now feels its overly flattering or something?? 

[MonsXI]

I don't (nor do I believe anybody should) consider the poppy to be a political symbol of any particular nation or organisation but rather one that people use to show respect to others who have lost their lives in what is basically a tragedy.

If you don't wish to wear one, that's fine, it isn't mandatory. I buy them but rarely wear one. But if you're trying to make some sort of statement by not wearing one then, sorry, but I think you're a bit of an ignorant twat. Like McClean.

Whatever term you choose to apply to it. Our way of life has been paid for with the blood of millions, some just kids, and from all over the world in all walks of life: British, Irish, Canadian, American, Indian, Australian, Kiwis, Carribean, French, German, Polish, Israeli... it doesn't matter.
It's not the insignia of the Parachute regiment, its a flower. Even if there are some you consider it represents that you would rather not respect, if you cannot think of anybody who does deserve to be remembered and honoured then I just can't accept that.

Just my opinion. And sorry, but it's a bit of a sore point for me too.

I really can't see how Mclean is being an ignorant twat, he obviously doesn't feel comfortable wearing a poppy but because of his chosen profession he is thrust into the spotlight, if he was a truck driver it wouldn't matter so why does it now?

You allude to people not wearing a poppy to make a statement is this what Mclean has done? As far as I can see he chose not to wear one hasn't not informed anyone why so surely cant be making a statement.

On a thread titled No respect you are not showing any to Mcleans freedom of choice.

[Concrete John]

Yep, as far as I know McLean declined to wear one, but that was it and it's others talking about it, including ourselves, that are extrapolating the 'why' as he's made no public statement.

[Pat McMahon]

I give money but choose not to wear a poppy.

In recent years it seems that every person appearing on tv seems obliged to wear a poppy so it probably shocks some when they see a person on the box not wearing one. It really shouldn't be an issue that McLean has decided not to wear a poppy, it is his personal choice. Given where he comes from ( friends from Derry have told me what the Creggan used to be like) I can understand why he may not be too keen to wear one.

My father and other members of our Irish family had to serve in the British army - if you lived here for more than two years in the 50s you did national service. In later years they all happily wore poppies as a mark of respect for fallen comrades in past conflicts. They saw not as a mark of respect for the dead, not as a justification for war.

On a related note David Cameron was in China three years ago at this time of year. He wore his poppy on the first day of his visit and was told in a forthright manner that the poppy was seen as a colonial symbol of oppression in China ( going back to the opium wars when we introduced the Chinese to cheap opium from India I think). He was forced to take it off to avoid offending his hosts. It certainly shows that a symbol can be interpreted differently.

[Ger Regan]

I give money but choose not to wear a poppy.

In recent years it seems that every person appearing on tv seems obliged to wear a poppy so it probably shocks some when they see a person on the box not wearing one. It really shouldn't be an issue that McLean has decided not to wear a poppy, it is his personal choice. Given where he comes from ( friends from Derry have told me what the Creggan used to be like) I can understand why he may not be too keen to wear one.

That's a big thing, and easily underestimated. I would imagine all this "these people fought for their freedom" arguments would sound pretty hallow to a community who were essentially second-class citizens up until relatively recently.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Did McLean observe the minutes silence at Goodison on Saturday?

[MonsXI]

Did McLean observe the minutes silence at Goodison on Saturday?

I haven't seen anyone saying he didn't.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Just makes me even more confused about his motives

[Mazrim]

The poppy isnt a symbol of the British army, therefore why should anybody feel uncomfortable wearing one?

And Mons XI, the truck driver analogy doesn't wash. Sunderland, like all football clubs, had a kit with a poppy on it, McClean chose not to wear his, thus making a statement. He doesn't have to explain why, I can guess. And he's being an ignorant twat because of it, just like those Celtic idiots, because it has no political significance and if one is attributed it is in ignorance.
What other reason could it have been. Is he allergic to synthetic sewn on poppies?

It's probably best I drop this now because I dont like where it might lead. I've said all I have to say.