Kick it Out Campaign

[Percy McCarthy]

Nothing drastic Chris. You just made a typo while pointing out a spelling mistake. Always the worst time to make a typo.

Fuck's sake, just read it you lazy sod!

[Chris Jameson]

Damn. Thanks for lifting my spirits though Percy with those kind words. Back atcha!

[Percy McCarthy]

No probs Chris. We'll get by in time.

[Chris Jameson]

I need you... too far?

[Percy McCarthy]

Yes. Must Fly.

(They're going in order now).

[Chris Jameson]

Do you think we should check Mark is okay? He's usually made a haircut/Neil Diamond reference by now.

[Percy McCarthy]

He'll be fine. When the Villa disappoint him he goes off-line, drops an E and listens to The Style Council's house anthem Promised Land. Either that or he doesn't know what we're on about.

[Chris Jameson]

We'll have to keep finding threads to get Wellet mentions in, keep moving and make it difficult for him. Might start a Weller haircut thread to keep him contained.

[Risso]

Get a room you pair of bumders.

[olaftab]

In all fairness Aftab, I think it's perfectly reasonable to describe managers as black or white during a discussion about race and possible inequalities between managers of various races. I can't say that I've noticed the term "black manager" being regularly used in any other circumstance.

Well indeed.  Quite what point Aftab was trying to make, I really don't know.

Yes agreed in the context of the discussion it's fine however my gripe is that I don't like the use of colour to describe a person or an action of a person.  For example I often hear someone say  "a white driver cut me up today"  to which my response would be an idiot driver did that and not because he is white. Not sure if I have explained myself but there goes.

[Risso]

In all fairness Aftab, I think it's perfectly reasonable to describe managers as black or white during a discussion about race and possible inequalities between managers of various races. I can't say that I've noticed the term "black manager" being regularly used in any other circumstance.

Well indeed.  Quite what point Aftab was trying to make, I really don't know.

Yes agreed in the context of the discussion it's fine however my gripe is that I don't like the use of colour to describe a person or an action of a person.  For example I often hear someone say  "a white driver cut me up today"  to which my response would be an idiot driver did that and not because he is white. Not sure if I have explained myself but there goes.

I get where you're coming from, but you can't have a discussion about racism without mentioning the colour of people's skin.  In your example, the colour of the driver's skin is irrelevant.  If we want to discuss why so few football managers are black, it's a bit unavoidable and entirely appropriate to call them black managers.  If it's good enough for John Barnes:

“There are only two black managers [in English football's top fur divisions]. Why don’t we talk about the real issues instead of little incidents. That’s not dealing with it at all.” then it's good enough for me.

[adrenachrome]

Yeah, but if we had a black manager doing badly, no doubt people would be calling him a Black ****, just like they called O'Dreary an Irish ****, Houllier a Frog ****, TSM a Scottish ****, but did not refer to JG, for example,  as an English ****.

The ****s.

[Risso]

Yeah, but if we had a black manager doing badly, no doubt people would be calling him a Black ****, just like they called O'Dreary an Irish ****, Houllier a Frog ****, TSM a Scottish ****, but did not refer to JG, for example,  as an English ****.

The ****s.

Rubbish.

[Percy McCarthy]

I think they would Riss.

Not everybody of course, but some. And he's right about JG as well.

[dave.woodhall]

I think they would Riss.

Not everybody of course, but some. And he's right about JG as well.

Percy will remember the bloke two rows behind us who always prefaced every insult towards Houllier with the word 'French.'  It's the old adage - a black lad playing up is a black lad playing up but a white lad playing up is just a lad playing up.