Lambert Out?

[hilts_coolerking]

He was the start of it all. His legacy is the cause of where we are now.

I think that's getting a bit lame now to be honest.  O'Neill's transfer policy was mediocre but it was approved by the owner.  His departure came at the worst possible time but nobody other than the owner can be blamed for subsequently appointing Houllier and McLeish.  Equally, nobody but the owner is responsible for selling our best players and not replacing them adequately.

O'Neill left us with a lot of problems to solve but the leadership and management of the club since he left has been so bad as to make those problems even worse.

[ciggiesnbeer]

I blame the romans.

But really, we are blaming Lerner? Jesus. How much money does he have to pump into this club before we give the bloke a break?

And no Lambert should not leave, he is our long term solution and so is Randy.

Faulkner? He seems more interested in pissing around with the FA or looking good hiring some anti corruption bloke to train with the kids or putting god embarrassing flamethrowers on the pitch or lasses rolling around in hamster balls at half time. That kind of shite we could do with cutting out and focusing on the damn football.

[eastie]

What mess did Houllier actually leave us in? He left us in 9th, sold no one of note and left us with Bent, the kind of player we've said we've wanted for years.

Were we not battling relegation without a win in god knows how long when he last managed us?

Do you think he did a good job and should have been appointed ?

Do you remember the cup game at man city and thd the a field surrender?
We finished 9th with Mcallister at the helm, when houllier took Ill we were deep in trouble fighting relegation.

[eastie]

Houllier and Mcleish were poor appointments, this time I think lambert was a good choice and will be in it for the long haul- it is a huge job to turn around our fortunes and I wish him well.

[eastie]

I blame the romans.

But really, we are blaming Lerner? Jesus. How much money does he have to pump into this club before we give the bloke a break?

And no Lambert should not leave, he is our long term solution and so is Randy.

Faulkner? He seems more interested in pissing around with the FA or looking good hiring some anti corruption bloke to train with the kids or putting god embarrassing flamethrowers on the pitch or lasses rolling around in hamster balls at half time. That kind of shite we could do with cutting out and focusing on the damn football.

And who appointed Faulkner?  Yes it was mr Lerner.

[Legion]

Houllier was potentially a good appointment but it unfortunately did not work out. McLeish was the biggest mistake in the history of managerial appointments worldwide and was definitely the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time. Time will tell for Lambert and he has my full support.

[PeterWithesShin]

We'd taken 7 points out of 9 and lost 3 of the last 12. He had to sort out the mess left by MON, shit players on massive contracts draining money out the club. Plus as we found out, a number of players with attitude problems. He also had the worst run of injuries I can remember down the Villa. And yes, I remember City in the cup and it still pisses me off. Do you remember Moscow?

[Clampy]

The only thing i would say in Houiller's defence is that the injury list he had to contend with was horrendous. It was a strange appointment but you could see what he was trying to do.

[eastie]

We'd taken 7 points out of 9 and lost 2 of the last 8. He had to sort out the mess left by MON, shit players on massive contracts draining money out the club. Plus as we found out, a number of players with attitude problems. And yes, I remember City in the cup and it still pisses me off. Do you remember Moscow?

Certainly I do, Moscow was o Neil's  big mistake , a disgrace when people had travelled so far  to see such a weakened side- unforgivable.! Along with several poor signings on crazy wages.

I agree mon left a mess behind him but I don't think houllier should have been given the job - he was a poor choice in my opinion but not as poor as Mcleish.

This time I think we nearly all agree lambert is the right man for the job .

[PeterWithesShin]

So again, what mess were we in when he left that was due to him? City in the cup aside, we were starting to get results, it was actually 3 defeats in the last 12 in the league before he was taken ill.

[Lambert and Payne]

The club is in decline and Lerner had made an utter mess of the last 3 years of his ownership with mistake after mistake- that clear enough clampy ?

I know how much you think randy is the bees knees but wake up and smell the roses - he's not!
Then again you still harp on about how great the mon era was , its taken you years to see that mon wasn't the bees knees either.

Sorry if you are upset about me criticising the great mr Lerner but I call it as I see it mate.

Sorry but "the emperor has no clothes " clamps!

He inherited a squad that didn't want to play for AV any more, he had a plan for the next season to get rid of trouble makers like Collins and Dunne and if it wasn't for ill health then he may still be here and I think he would have bulit something. He'd already got a great buy in Bent.
McLeish was a poor move, but we survived (just) and he learned a very valuable lesson and made sure they got the right man this time. The mistakes Randy made was giving O'neill all the money in the world, when he said enoughs enough O'neill threw his toys out and left us in the lurch and were still recovering from this. Were only a signing or two back to top half side, this club is not in a complete mess. Were 8 games into a new regime and signings are still coming together wheras last seasons players are getting used to a new style of football.

[Clampy]

Of course Lerner has made mistakes. Appointing Mcleish was one, letting MON give players ludricous contracts was another. I'm not going to knock him for the amount of money he's put into this club and he still does. If the wage bill needed to come down and needs to be maintained, then so be it.

It's all too easy to go down the Eastie route and blame Chairman, Faulkner and past managers every time we have a bad run.

Fuck it, i blame Venglos.

[hilts_coolerking]

Houllier was potentially a good appointment but it unfortunately did not work out. McLeish was the biggest mistake in the history of managerial appointments worldwide and was definitely the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time. Time will tell for Lambert and he has my full support.

Houllier was hired despite having a history of serious health problems and left 9 months later because he had serious health problems.  It was a very poor appointment, especially considering what we desperately needed at that point was stability.

[silhillvilla]

Wasnt Houllier just a panic appointment in the end. That's they way I see it after several candidates had "ruled themselves out".

[hilts_coolerking]

There was an air of panic about the appointments of both Houllier and McLeish.