Tottenham Hotspur v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Eigentor]

In the final half of 2010/11 we produced top six form.

[villadelph]

We are getting handled by teams who we should be neck and neck with in the table. We can't even give a decent game to Everton or Spurs and we still have the big boys to play. I fail to see how anyone can be optimistic at the moment. I'm also going to start keeping track of how many times "Did you really expect to win against _________ FC at ______?" Hold those responsible for getting results to a higher standard. You bunch are rolling over for mediocre/above average clubs like we're a fucking Championship side.

[Irish villain]

Dave, there's no need for that.

I only want the best for the club I support.

[dave.woodhall]

No need for what?

[mrastonvilla]

We are getting handled by teams who we should be neck and neck with in the table. We can't even give a decent game to Everton or Spurs and we still have the big boys to play. I fail to see how anyone can be optimistic at the moment. I'm also going to start keeping track of how many times "Did you really expect to win against _________ FC at ______?" Hold those responsible for getting results to a higher standard. You bunch are rolling over for mediocre/above average clubs like we're a fucking Championship side.

We should be in the top 5?

[mike]

We are getting handled by teams who we should be neck and neck with in the table. We can't even give a decent game to Everton or Spurs and we still have the big boys to play. I fail to see how anyone can be optimistic at the moment. I'm also going to start keeping track of how many times "Did you really expect to win against _________ FC at ______?" Hold those responsible for getting results to a higher standard. You bunch are rolling over for mediocre/above average clubs like we're a fucking Championship side.

And we publicly called TSM every foul word in the dictionary for saying the same.

[Risso]

And Everton and Albion are both currently in the top 6 with a number of what were unknown and lower league players. Both currently have the best sides i've seen them have for 20+ years. It can work but requires some patience not wrist slashing after 7 games.

None of those teams sold all their decent players in the space of two years and failed to replace them with anybody as good.  It's why we're struggling, we just don't have a very good team.

[onje_villa]

Well said Delph and Irish, we're not over-reactionary fans like you see over on VT, we're behind the manager and embrace the changes he's implementing. Doesn't mean we should suddenly be happy to only compete with a handful of clubs in the league.

It's the fans expectations that worry me almost as much as the league table at the moment. I'm happy for us to build gradually and it's not the end of the world we're near the bottom but I won't be happy if it lasts all season.

[PeterWithesShin]

And Everton and Albion are both currently in the top 6 with a number of what were unknown and lower league players. Both currently have the best sides i've seen them have for 20+ years. It can work but requires some patience not wrist slashing after 7 games.

None of those teams sold all their decent players in the space of two years and failed to replace them with anybody as good.  It's why we're struggling, we just don't have a very good team.

None of those teams is 7 games into starting that philosophy either. They are however starting to see potential reaping of rewards for a long term plan. Something we've lacked since the mid 90's.

[dave.woodhall]

Well said Delph and Irish, we're not over-reactionary fans like you see over on VT, we're behind the manager and embrace the changes he's implementing. Doesn't mean we should suddenly be happy to only compete with a handful of clubs in the league.

It's the fans expectations that worry me almost as much as the league table at the moment. I'm happy for us to build gradually and it's not the end of the world we're near the bottom but I won't be happy if it lasts all season.

Neither will I be but I don't believe it will.

[PeterWithesShin]

Well said Delph and Irish, we're not over-reactionary fans like you see over on VT, we're behind the manager and embrace the changes he's implementing. Doesn't mean we should suddenly be happy to only compete with a handful of clubs in the league.

It's the fans expectations that worry me almost as much as the league table at the moment. I'm happy for us to build gradually and it's not the end of the world we're near the bottom but I won't be happy if it lasts all season.

None of us will be happy if it lasts all season, but some of us are patient enough to wait more than 7 games before declaring the end of Aston Villa.

[eastie]

And Everton and Albion are both currently in the top 6 with a number of what were unknown and lower league players. Both currently have the best sides i've seen them have for 20+ years. It can work but requires some patience not wrist slashing after 7 games.

None of those teams sold all their decent players in the space of two years and failed to replace them with anybody as good.  It's why we're struggling, we just don't have a very good team.

Everton have sold their best players ie, Rooney, lescott, arteta in similar ways to us but have kept moyes on board, I think lambert could be our moyes in the long term but we must accept that the days of dreaming of champions league are long gone and 6th to 12 th will be as good as it gets in the foreseeable future.

Sadly our expectations and ambitions have dipped a lot in the last couple of years.

[onje_villa]

Well said Delph and Irish, we're not over-reactionary fans like you see over on VT, we're behind the manager and embrace the changes he's implementing. Doesn't mean we should suddenly be happy to only compete with a handful of clubs in the league.

It's the fans expectations that worry me almost as much as the league table at the moment. I'm happy for us to build gradually and it's not the end of the world we're near the bottom but I won't be happy if it lasts all season.

Neither will I be but I don't believe it will.

Fair enough Dave, I'm also hopeful.

[onje_villa]

Well said Delph and Irish, we're not over-reactionary fans like you see over on VT, we're behind the manager and embrace the changes he's implementing. Doesn't mean we should suddenly be happy to only compete with a handful of clubs in the league.

It's the fans expectations that worry me almost as much as the league table at the moment. I'm happy for us to build gradually and it's not the end of the world we're near the bottom but I won't be happy if it lasts all season.

None of us will be happy if it lasts all season, but some of us are patient enough to wait more than 7 games before declaring the end of Aston Villa.

Not sure that's fair, I don't think anyone's saying that.

[ACVilla]

It's truly scary he many of us have the mentality of "we weren't expected to win so it doesn't matter".