Tottenham Hotspur v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[villa `cross the mersey]

For all of us that thought it couldn`t be any worse than the "Scottish Manager"- Is Lambert any better? He seems just as tactically inept as McLeish and with a similar stubborn streak. Fitness wise we seem to run out of steam in every game.
I have a feeling that Bent will be replaced by Holt in January  - Its all very well saying its early days and all that shit but we really do look poor and I faill to see where the improvement is gonna come from in this squad of players.

Dude chill out. You're overreacting. Get some fresh air.

Yeah youre right ... we battered Swansea and won two League cup ties ... lets forget Everton, Southampton, West Ham  and the Baggies.
 performances. Its all about opinions isn`t it? I hope I am proved wrong however I have seen little signs of the green shoots of recovery and to be frank, the signings other than perhaps Vlaar and El Hamadi have been totally underwhelming.
I have witnessed some poor Villa teams over the years and I get the "whiff" of relegation when the squad or team is of such poor quality ....right now the signs are edging that way - early days yes, but this is a results business and you get feck all for being unlucky or being in a period or transition. I am very frustrated like all of us I guess - but as much as I want this guy to be better than TSM I havn`t seen enough to give me that confidence...... just call me a twat when we finish 6th at the end of the season!

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

I'm just fed up of expecting to lose. Our results in 2012 must be among the worst in the club's entire history. Lambert has an enormouse job to change my mindset.

I think we discussed this last season during the nadir of TSM.  The worst in history was a particularly bad losing run in the early 1960s when Joe Mercer fell ill.

[Olof's Beard]

I'm just fed up of expecting to lose. Our results in 2012 must be among the worst in the club's entire history. Lambert has an enormouse job to change my mindset.

How many games have we actually won this calendar year?  4?  5 tops?  I remain confident we will improve in the new year but the new few results will be crucial.  If we are struggling come December pockets of fans will start to get very edgy and that could erode some of the good will afforded to Lambert and team so far.   I hope that isn't the case.

Spurs didn't really get out of 2nd gear but we were comfortable ourselves until they scored.  Benteke has to score as we know but there were some strangely flat performances from players too, most notably Holman.  Vlaar was excellent though and I really like the look of Bennett.  The substitutions were baffling, Gabby didn't know where he was playing and El Ahmadi became a one man midfield.  They then just walked through the gargantuan gap to score the 2nd goal.

[damon loves JT]

My instinct is to disagree with villadelph but we are not going to get better unless we are intolerant of our own failures. I hope the players hate losing as much as I do.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

In all fairness, if a Woman does object to being groped, she probably IS a lesbian.

SHIT

Thought I was on off topic.

[Matt Collins]

I'm really pissed at how we haven't learnt from not taking our chances. Can't keep happening. When will we learn ffs.

I'm not panicing like others on here, but 1 win in 7 is poor. Need to change the habit of not winning which has torn deeply from when McLeish was manager.

I'm not sure it's a case of not learning! Will benteke 'remember' to score next time?

[levico]

An hour on and only 8 pages of posts. I get the feeling that apathy is setting in. Better than caring I suppose.

[Matt Collins]

Is anyone seriously suggesting today wasn't a load better than the same matchast season? We actually passed the ball and attacked today

We're in for a tricky season I'm sure and lambert has a massive job on his hands. I still think he'll turn it around and to call him tactically ignorant is just wrong

I did think he got it wrong today in not selecting bent. But then you could argue the 4231 worked pretty well, and I think bent has frequently shown he can't play in that system, so perhaps not

But for fulham, I'd bring in lichaj for Bennett, Ireland for alby, bent for gabby. And possibly bannan for delph.

I think lambert's judgement on signings has looked very good so far. It's just a shame that we're relying on them fitting straight in

Also, I know it sounds odd, but if we did go down, I'd currently want to keep lambert as the man to build a new side to take us back up again.

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

How games have we actually won this calendar year?  4?  5 tops? 

6 of the last 38.

Home - Swansea, Fulham, Norwich.
Away - Wolves, Bolton, Chelsea.

[Richard Richard]

Nice to see the Negative Nancy's are back this week.

I hear ya brother! Us positive Pamela's have to stick together.

[villa `cross the mersey]

An hour on and only 8 pages of posts. I get the feeling that apathy is setting in. Better than caring I suppose.

My optimism over the Lambert appointment lead me to renew my season ticket whilst I was in a hospital bed recovering from an operation- a few months down the line and I am somewhat less optimistic about our future, primarily because of the lack of quality recruited during the transfer window. Perhaps its no coincidence that one of Lambert`s fellow "bright young mangers" Rodgers is also struggling over at Anfield.

[mrfuse]

Is anyone seriously suggesting today wasn't a load better than the same matchast season? We actually passed the ball and attacked today

Thank you someone with some common sense

[barrysleftfoot]

  Have to say a lot of over reacting on here today.2-0 flattered Spuds, a team that will probably finish in the top 4.

  Positives for me were numerous.Bennett and RB played well against probably the best two wide players in the league, Vlaar and Clark played well, as did KEA and Delph for 60 mins.

  Gabby remains an enigma, Benteke needs experience, and Albrighton, although better than last week is too lightweight.

  Overall a better performance than i expected, we won't lose to Fulham, and beat Norwich, don't worry.

[john e]

For all of us that thought it couldn`t be any worse than the "Scottish Manager"- Is Lambert any better? He seems just as tactically inept as McLeish and with a similar stubborn streak. Fitness wise we seem to run out of steam in every game.
I have a feeling that Bent will be replaced by Holt in January  - Its all very well saying its early days and all that shit but we really do look poor and I faill to see where the improvement is gonna come from in this squad of players.

Dude chill out. You're overreacting. Get some fresh air.

Yeah youre right ... we battered Swansea and won two League cup ties ... lets forget Everton, Southampton, West Ham  and the Baggies.
 performances. Its all about opinions isn`t it? I hope I am proved wrong however I have seen little signs of the green shoots of recovery and to be frank, the signings other than perhaps Vlaar and El Hamadi have been totally underwhelming.
I have witnessed some poor Villa teams over the years and I get the "whiff" of relegation when the squad or team is of such poor quality ....right now the signs are edging that way - early days yes, but this is a results business and you get feck all for being unlucky or being in a period or transition. I am very frustrated like all of us I guess - but as much as I want this guy to be better than TSM I havn`t seen enough to give me that confidence...... just call me a twat when we finish 6th at the end of the season!

theres nothing wrong in calling it early VCTM, if thats how you feel then thats what you say,
 its the same as saying a player isnt doing it and someone comes on and says 'give him a chance' well when he's had a full season and he's still crap its easy to call it then.


i actually disagree with you though, i think we are in far better hands this season, and i do think it will take some time to turn round with small improvements as we go along, i'm quite happy with Lambert and the way we are at least trying to play, obviously we do need some good results soon or the pressure will build and things can turn sour. i do think we have improved from last year, but i accept that for others its difficult to see

[villa `cross the mersey]

How games have we actually won this calendar year?  4?  5 tops? 

6 of the last 38.

Home - Swansea, Fulham, Norwich.
Away - Wolves, Bolton, Chelsea.

That truly is an awful statistic - Chelsea result aside - We are officially shit then?