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Offline not3bad

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #135 on: September 11, 2012, 10:23:32 AM »
Good interview with Gregory on the OS, was this taken from Talksport?

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2915684,00.html

Comments on the FA Cup final and his relationship with Doug Ellis are very honest.

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #136 on: September 11, 2012, 01:35:53 PM »
Interesting how he names SVC as the most talented player he ever worked with at Villa!

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #137 on: September 11, 2012, 01:43:20 PM »
Interesting how he names SVC as the most talented player he ever worked with at Villa!

I don't think his talent was ever the problem really.

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #138 on: September 11, 2012, 01:50:46 PM »
Good interview with Gregory on the OS, was this taken from Talksport?

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2915684,00.html

Comments on the FA Cup final and his relationship with Doug Ellis are very honest.

Really interesting and refreshingly honest that.

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #139 on: September 11, 2012, 02:49:43 PM »
Great interview and Grego never shirked any answers- well worth reading.

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #140 on: September 11, 2012, 03:33:57 PM »
Interesting how he names SVC as the most talented player he ever worked with at Villa!

I don't think his talent was ever the problem really.

Reading that bit made me think that, if anything, it makes his idiotic handling of the depression situation with Collymore even more of a rubbish piece of management.

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #141 on: September 11, 2012, 04:05:42 PM »
Interesting how he names SVC as the most talented player he ever worked with at Villa!

I don't think his talent was ever the problem really.

Reading that bit made me think that, if anything, it makes his idiotic handling of the depression situation with Collymore even more of a rubbish piece of management.

Maybe if Gregory's managerial career had been 10-15 years down the line, he might have handled it better. Then again you could question how someone like Brian Clough would have handled him.

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #142 on: September 11, 2012, 05:32:48 PM »
Interesting how he names SVC as the most talented player he ever worked with at Villa!

I don't think his talent was ever the problem really.

Reading that bit made me think that, if anything, it makes his idiotic handling of the depression situation with Collymore even more of a rubbish piece of management.
Possibly, but as others have said, while not condoning the actions, understanding of the condition was nowhere near as good back then as it is now. Similarly, how would people judge the club's handling of McGrath's alcoholism? I'm talking in terms of his well-being, rather than his performances on the pitch. Would he be treated differently these days I wonder? It's been a while since he read his book, but I got the impression that they did too much more to help him than ensuring he could play every week.

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #143 on: September 11, 2012, 05:38:58 PM »
Interesting how he names SVC as the most talented player he ever worked with at Villa!

I don't think his talent was ever the problem really.

Reading that bit made me think that, if anything, it makes his idiotic handling of the depression situation with Collymore even more of a rubbish piece of management.

Maybe if Gregory's managerial career had been 10-15 years down the line, he might have handled it better. Then again you could question how someone like Brian Clough would have handled him.

It also doesn't help that mental condition not withstanding, Collymore was/is a cock of the highest order.  How much of that was down to the depression is impossible to say I suppose, but he doesn't appear to be suffering now, but is still an almighty arse in my opinion.

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #144 on: September 11, 2012, 07:13:50 PM »
His win record of 43% compares better to Mr O'Neill's and Brian Little's and is on a par with BFR's.  I think that's quite good.
I've always thought Gregory and O'Neil were about level on what they did for us. Both spent lots and wasted lots. Both got to good positions in the league only to fade out. Both got to a cup final and were poor in it. Both walked out without really saying why.

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #145 on: September 11, 2012, 08:15:38 PM »
His win record of 43% compares better to Mr O'Neill's and Brian Little's and is on a par with BFR's.  I think that's quite good.
I've always thought Gregory and O'Neil were about level on what they did for us. Both spent lots and wasted lots. Both got to good positions in the league only to fade out. Both got to a cup final and were poor in it. Both walked out without really saying why.

I'm not sure we were poor in the 2010 Carling Cup Final, we were robbed by a poor decision from a gutless ref then got edged out by a better team. I never questioned the effort or desire in 2010 as I did in 2000.

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #146 on: September 11, 2012, 08:20:14 PM »
His win record of 43% compares better to Mr O'Neill's and Brian Little's and is on a par with BFR's.  I think that's quite good.
I've always thought Gregory and O'Neil were about level on what they did for us. Both spent lots and wasted lots. Both got to good positions in the league only to fade out. Both got to a cup final and were poor in it. Both walked out without really saying why.

I'm not sure we were poor in the 2010 Carling Cup Final, we were robbed by a poor decision from a gutless ref then got edged out by a better team. I never questioned the effort or desire in 2010 as I did in 2000.

I thought we were pretty piss poor in both the CCF and the FAC semi final.

Yes, we suffered from a shit decision by Phil Dowd, but bar the penalty, how many shots on target did we manage across the whole 180 minutes?

I reckon it's no more than two.

We were worse in 2000, yes, but those two Wembley appearances under MON were great days out, but we never really looked like winning either of them.

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #147 on: September 11, 2012, 08:21:50 PM »
Interesting how he names SVC as the most talented player he ever worked with at Villa!

I don't think his talent was ever the problem really.

Reading that bit made me think that, if anything, it makes his idiotic handling of the depression situation with Collymore even more of a rubbish piece of management.

Maybe if Gregory's managerial career had been 10-15 years down the line, he might have handled it better. Then again you could question how someone like Brian Clough would have handled him.

It also doesn't help that mental condition not withstanding, Collymore was/is a cock of the highest order.  How much of that was down to the depression is impossible to say I suppose, but he doesn't appear to be suffering now, but is still an almighty arse in my opinion.

If you read some of the stuff he's written about depression over the last year or so, he's definitely still suffering.

It's a valid point to look at how Clough would have dealt with it, but he was managing in the 1980s. Gregory was handling Collymore far more recently, and things had moved on considerably by then.

If you take away any personal aspect from it, in the sense of the personalities of the two men involved, it's really hard to conclude anything other than Gregory was dealt a difficult situation with a very talented player we'd paid a huge amount of money for, and managed it very poorly indeed.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2012, 08:23:23 PM by pauliewalnuts »

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #148 on: September 11, 2012, 09:09:52 PM »
Carbone and Joachim had a good run together during Dion's long absence. We suddenly found ourselves playing better football rather than trying to lump it
onto big Dion's nut. I thought we should have stuck with BC & JJ for the start of the final.

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Re: Gregory on Talksport now
« Reply #149 on: September 11, 2012, 09:28:45 PM »
I still can't believe he signed Balaban for 6m without watching him. Christ.

 


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