Guzan

[Dave]

Same with Shay - left and right across his goal line no problem - forward into the box - oh no - that's for someone else to sort.

Very much so. I'm pretty sure that all the set-piece goals we conceded last season - although Dunne and Collins take a huge share of the blame, if we'd had a keeper capable of bundling through and catching the ball like Guzan has the last couple of games it wouldn't have been nearly so much of an issue. We'd been less likely to concede the corner in the first place and it's more likely that it would have been dealt with before Collins had a chance to brainfart it back to the opposition.

In a funny sort of way, the Blackburn catastrophe may well be turn out to be the very making of young Brad.

[Shrek]

At the moment Guzan is in terriffic form but remember all goalkeepers have poor runs like Shay has had. Petr Cech has made a series of costly errors over the past six months but doesnt seem to attract the attention like Shay has. Brad Guzan is going like a steam train at the moment but there will be a time when Shay will be back and lets hope he will be back to the form he is capable of.

The difference is, Given isn't out of form as such.

He has never commanded his area and never comes for crosses, his main asset has always been his shot stopping, but now he has lost that he has become an average keeper.

Guzan will make a few mistakes this season but his all round game is better than Shay Given's has ever been.

[eastie]

At the moment Guzan is in terriffic form but remember all goalkeepers have poor runs like Shay has had. Petr Cech has made a series of costly errors over the past six months but doesnt seem to attract the attention like Shay has. Brad Guzan is going like a steam train at the moment but there will be a time when Shay will be back and lets hope he will be back to the form he is capable of.

The difference is, Given isn't out of form as such.

He has never commanded his area and never comes for crosses, his main asset has always been his shot stopping, but now he has lost that he has become an average keeper.

Guzan will make a few mistakes this season but his all round game is better than Shay Given's has ever been.

Shay given has been a top class keeper for over a decade- lets not get carried away with brads progress- he has been excellent this season so far and long may it continue, should he suffer a dip in form I am confident shay will do a good job for us.

Given is possibly past his prime but to say Guzan is better than given has ever been is premature- lets give him a season before making sweeping statements.

I've been impressed with brads handling this season and he looks a very good keeper , as also is shay.

[spangley1812]

At the moment Guzan is in terriffic form but remember all goalkeepers have poor runs like Shay has had. Petr Cech has made a series of costly errors over the past six months but doesnt seem to attract the attention like Shay has. Brad Guzan is going like a steam train at the moment but there will be a time when Shay will be back and lets hope he will be back to the form he is capable of.

The difference is, Given isn't out of form as such.

He has never commanded his area and never comes for crosses, his main asset has always been his shot stopping, but now he has lost that he has become an average keeper.

Guzan will make a few mistakes this season but his all round game is better than Shay Given's has ever been.

Eastie you really are having a "Giraffe" when Guzan has played international/premiership football for at least 10 years then you can say things like that , oh and another thing if Brad was that good why was he without a club for 4/6 weeks........

[eastie]

At the moment Guzan is in terriffic form but remember all goalkeepers have poor runs like Shay has had. Petr Cech has made a series of costly errors over the past six months but doesnt seem to attract the attention like Shay has. Brad Guzan is going like a steam train at the moment but there will be a time when Shay will be back and lets hope he will be back to the form he is capable of.

The difference is, Given isn't out of form as such.

He has never commanded his area and never comes for crosses, his main asset has always been his shot stopping, but now he has lost that he has become an average keeper.

Guzan will make a few mistakes this season but his all round game is better than Shay Given's has ever been.

Eastie you really are having a "Giraffe" when Guzan has played international/premiership football for at least 10 years then you can say things like that , oh and another thing if Brad was that good why was he without a club for 4/6 weeks........

Spangley I agree with you, you have quoted the wrong person- my post said similar to you in shays defence!
Shrek is the man who posted that not me.

I am very happy we have two extremely good keepers.

[spangley1812]

At the moment Guzan is in terriffic form but remember all goalkeepers have poor runs like Shay has had. Petr Cech has made a series of costly errors over the past six months but doesnt seem to attract the attention like Shay has. Brad Guzan is going like a steam train at the moment but there will be a time when Shay will be back and lets hope he will be back to the form he is capable of.

The difference is, Given isn't out of form as such.

He has never commanded his area and never comes for crosses, his main asset has always been his shot stopping, but now he has lost that he has become an average keeper.

Guzan will make a few mistakes this season but his all round game is better than Shay Given's has ever been.

Eastie you really are having a "Giraffe" when Guzan has played international/premiership football for at least 10 years then you can say things like that , oh and another thing if Brad was that good why was he without a club for 4/6 weeks........

Spangley I agree with you, you have quoted the wrong person- my post said similar to you in shays defence!
Shrek is the man who posted that not me.

Opps sorry mate, please accept my apologies :-)

[Monty]

I agree with Shrek. The Blackburn games aside (where Allardyce's team got away with more than anyone else would usually, as per) Guzan has always looked good on crosses and commanded his area. Given's always been suspect on this - the Dublin goal is a perhaps cruel example, but his awareness hasn't always been top class.

[spangley1812]

At the moment Guzan is in terriffic form but remember all goalkeepers have poor runs like Shay has had. Petr Cech has made a series of costly errors over the past six months but doesnt seem to attract the attention like Shay has. Brad Guzan is going like a steam train at the moment but there will be a time when Shay will be back and lets hope he will be back to the form he is capable of.

Shrek you really are having a "Giraffe" when Guzan has played international/premiership football for at least 10 years then you can say things like that , oh and another thing if Brad was that good why was he without a club for 4/6 weeks........

The difference is, Given isn't out of form as such.

He has never commanded his area and never comes for crosses, his main asset has always been his shot stopping, but now he has lost that he has become an average keeper.

Guzan will make a few mistakes this season but his all round game is better than Shay Given's has ever been.

[eastie]

We have 2 very good keepers at the club , people knocking given may like to thank him for his huge contribution to our survival last season rather than having a pop at him.

[Monty]

We have 2 very good keepers at the club , people knocking given may like to thank him for his huge contribution to our survival last season rather than having a pop at him.

Not knocking his efforts. Just his abilities, which as a professional you'd think he'd have learned to deal with. Doubt he reads these forums anyway, let's be fair.

Also, his flaws led to many of our problems last season. And this season, to be honest.

[eastie]

We have 2 very good keepers at the club , people knocking given may like to thank him for his huge contribution to our survival last season rather than having a pop at him.

Not knocking his efforts. Just his abilities, which as a professional you'd think he'd have learned to deal with. Doubt he reads these forums anyway, let's be fair.

Also, his flaws led to many of our problems last season. And this season, to be honest.

Not as many as Hutton, warnock, dunne and Collins- we have a decent defence now and coaches -brad has the shirt and his form is excellent so far-I hope it continues but I have no worries should shay reclaim the shirt.

Guzan has improved immensely and impressed me greatly.

[Shrek]

Eastie, read what I said again.

I said Guzan's 'all round' game is already bette than Givens has ever been.

Given has never commanded his area well and has never come for crosses.
His big asset has been his shot stopping, but that has begun to fade.

Given has been a top keeper the last decade, but lets not get carried away thinking he has been 'world class'. He has been no better than Friedal and Shwarzer, but he has been no Van Der Sar or Peter Cech.

[sonlyme]

If Shay Given really is world class - why did Newcastle sell him?

Just saying...

[Risso]

If Shay Given really is world class - why did Newcastle sell him?

Just saying...

Because Man City offered them £7m?

[PeterWithesShin]

If Shay Given really is world class - why did Newcastle sell him?

Just saying...

If Dwight Yorke was world class - why did Villa sell him?

Just saying .....