Petrov banner banned from Villa park

[lordmcgrath5]

I think the 19th minute applause is a good thing and Chris Smith's very apposite comments reinforce that view.

From my experience when I was living in Germany, some often very well-meaning actions taken by Ultras in the ground (banner-related, choreography-related etc. etc.) can lead to tension and ill-feeling if they're not communicated properly. People get especially pissed off if they can't see the game, and as I feel the same way I completely understand this. That's one reason why I've never understood the fascination for smoke bombs and pyrotechnics - a load of bollocks if you ask me.

For their part, the ultras, to some extent understandably, point to all the time, effort (and often expense) invested and wonder why everyone's being so miserable. This sort of thing can sow the seeds for long-term ill-feeling and the formation of pro and anti-ultras camps.

From what I've seen so far, Brigada seem like a fine bunch with plenty of energy and ideas who are likely to do a lot of good for the fan scene and atmosphere at VP.  They just need to bear in mind the feelings of those not involved in or aware of what they're up to.

[Virgil Caine]

I feel sure that if Stan ever found the 19th minute applause inappropriate/ embarrassing/ unnecessary he would, such is the relationship he has with the fans, communicate such feelings. The fact that so far he has not, indicates he still gets support and encouragement from it, so let it continue. Apart from the above surely it reminds the Villa players how fortunate they are being able to play and perhaps it should raise their game?

[Virgil Caine]

Oh, and another thing, although we have never met Chris my thoughts and prayers are with you in your battle. With reference to your previous post elsewhere regarding a return to beer on recovery, may I recommend Timothy Taylor's Landlord Bitter- fine stuff.

[bob bobson]

to me it seems like the 20-odd people in the ultras have relocated and think they can run the show in a new block of 5-600 people

[Chris Smith]

Oh, and another thing, although we have never met Chris my thoughts and prayers are with you in your battle. With reference to your previous post elsewhere regarding a return to beer on recovery, may I recommend Timothy Taylor's Landlord Bitter- fine stuff.

Agreed, MLF, a lovely drink and also thanks for the kind words (that goes for everyone else too).

[MonsXI]

to me it seems like the 20-odd people in the ultras have relocated and think they can run the show in a new block of 5-600 people

Run the show? What by flying a banner for 60 seconds? Or do you mean actually trying to create some atmosphere?

[pestria]

Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.

No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis.  But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy.  The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course. 

The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish  Liverpool-esque sentimentality. 

[MonsXI]

Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.

No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis.  But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy.  The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course. 

The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish  Liverpool-esque sentimentality. 

Please explain " mass maukish  Liverpool-esque sentimentality"

[MarkM]

Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.

No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis.  But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy.  The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course. 

The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish  Liverpool-esque sentimentality. 

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[danlanza]

Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.

No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis.  But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy.  The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course. 

The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish  Liverpool-esque sentimentality. 

Please explain " mass maukish  Liverpool-esque sentimentality"

Yeah. Explain. I would call the clapping the best way to show your support for a man who has been going through hell. Or am i not getting the Maukish load of bollox ?

[bob bobson]

to me it seems like the 20-odd people in the ultras have relocated and think they can run the show in a new block of 5-600 people

Run the show? What by flying a banner for 60 seconds? Or do you mean actually trying to create some atmosphere?

no, i mean i have read your forum and have seen comments along the lines of "all our seats our dotted about but we are going to stand regardless" etc etc

my mate moved to L8 last year and said you made a right racket so fair play on the singing front

but based on the comments/attitude on your forum (and to a much lesser degree in this thread) it strikes me as - we are going to do whatever we want, stuff the 5-600 people sat directly around us, if you dont buy into our idea of atmosphere your not a real fan

[Mortimer's Bear]

Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.

No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis.  But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy.  The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course. 

The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish  Liverpool-esque sentimentality. 

Surely a deliberate attempt to get peoples backs up?

Thats the kind of vitriol we've come to expect from the knuckle draggers from across the city (all of which I know personally have offered nothing but sympathy and compassion for Stan by the way).

[MonsXI]

to me it seems like the 20-odd people in the ultras have relocated and think they can run the show in a new block of 5-600 people

Run the show? What by flying a banner for 60 seconds? Or do you mean actually trying to create some atmosphere?

no, i mean i have read your forum and have seen comments along the lines of "all our seats our dotted about but we are going to stand regardless" etc etc

my mate moved to L8 last year and said you made a right racket so fair play on the singing front

but based on the comments/attitude on your forum (and to a much lesser degree in this thread) it strikes me as - we are going to do whatever we want, stuff the 5-600 people sat directly around us, if you dont buy into our idea of atmosphere your not a real fan

Firstly nobody has ever said those not singing etc are not real fans, and the point about standing is probably to do with stewards rather than other fans. Ideally a back section of a block would've been available for the group and then nobody else would be disturbed I believe that as the season go's on with comprise the group and others in the block will find a happy medium.

[Chris Smith]

Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.

No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis.  But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy.  The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course. 

The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish  Liverpool-esque sentimentality. 

 Of course from a medical point of view it is the hospital treatment that's s all important but if you had any idea of the psychological impact of serious illness then you wouldn't and couldn't have posted such a load of ill informed nonsense. It's a minute of our time once a fortnight but for him it will mean the world.

[bob bobson]

to me it seems like the 20-odd people in the ultras have relocated and think they can run the show in a new block of 5-600 people

Run the show? What by flying a banner for 60 seconds? Or do you mean actually trying to create some atmosphere?

no, i mean i have read your forum and have seen comments along the lines of "all our seats our dotted about but we are going to stand regardless" etc etc

my mate moved to L8 last year and said you made a right racket so fair play on the singing front

but based on the comments/attitude on your forum (and to a much lesser degree in this thread) it strikes me as - we are going to do whatever we want, stuff the 5-600 people sat directly around us, if you dont buy into our idea of atmosphere your not a real fan

Firstly nobody has ever said those not singing etc are not real fans, and the point about standing is probably to do with stewards rather than other fans. Ideally a back section of a block would've been available for the group and then nobody else would be disturbed I believe that as the season go's on with comprise the group and others in the block will find a happy medium.

no but they are 'scum' according to one poster on the forums