Return of O'Neill - divided opinion

[richard moore]

That's because he spent all the money before he left. He knew it would go tits up. That's why he fucked off.

Congratulations on what I feel is a most accurate summation of the situation

[Malandro]

That's because he spent all the money before he left. He knew it would go tits up. That's why he fucked off.

Congratulations on what I feel is a most accurate summation of the situation

A more accurate summary would be:

1. American Billionaire owner arrives trying to buy success,
2. Makes grand promises to manager and fans
3. Billionaire owner realises that there are other Billionaires with more money.
4. Pulls plug, loses interest
5. Manager upset, walks out
6. Club end up with shit players, shit manager and absent owner
7. Amercian sells up and buys art work

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

Young niteclubbers were amazed to see Martin O'Neill out on Broad Street last night enjoying a pint. Apparently, one young lady approached O'Neill and said "will you give me your autograph?" "Of course" replied O'Neill "Sign here then," she said and lifted here skirt "on me leg here". So Martin signed, just above her knee where she pointed. Her friends weren't to be outdone by this so the second one said "Me too Martin, sign here" she promptly lifts up her t-shirt. O'Neill of course being a gent duly obliged. The third one then whips off her knickers, points and says "Sign here" showing Martin exactly where to sign his name "Sorry," said O'Neill "I think I signed enough twats when I used to be manager down here"

[danlanza]

Young niteclubbers were amazed to see Martin O'Neill out on Broad Street last night enjoying a pint. Apparently, one young lady approached O'Neill and said "will you give me your autograph?" "Of course" replied O'Neill "Sign here then," she said and lifted here skirt "on me leg here". So Martin signed, just above her knee where she pointed. Her friends weren't to be outdone by this so the second one said "Me too Martin, sign here" she promptly lifts up her t-shirt. O'Neill of course being a gent duly obliged. The third one then whips off her knickers, points and says "Sign here" showing Martin exactly where to sign his name "Sorry," said O'Neill "I think I signed enough twats when I used to be manager down here"

Class way to start any Saturday morning.Well funny.

[cdbearsfan]

That's because he spent all the money before he left. He knew it would go tits up. That's why he fucked off.

Congratulations on what I feel is a most accurate summation of the situation

A more accurate summary would be:

1. American Billionaire owner arrives trying to buy success,
2. Makes grand promises to manager and fans
3. Billionaire owner realises that there are other Billionaires with more money.
4. Pulls plug, loses interest
5. Manager upset, walks out
6. Club end up with shit players, shit manager and absent owner
7. Amercian sells up and buys art work

So you think continuing to spend money we didn't have was a viable business model?

Presumably you also think O'Neill was right to fuck off as soon as they asked him to actually try to manage the team he had purchased rather than giving him money to buy a new team again?

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

Martin O'Neill, Alex Mcleish and a dog are sitting in the pub when a man walks in and lifts the dog up in the air and looks underneath it then puts it back down and walks away.

 Alex says to Martin "what the fuck was that all about?" Martin replied "Haven't got a clue" two minutes later another man walks in picks up the dog and looks underneath and then walks out of the pub.

Straight after that another man walks in and lifts it up and looks underneath it and Martin asks "Why the fuck are you looking under the dog?" the man replies "I heard there was a dog in the pub with two arses"

[gerags]

He was 4 years into a 5 year plan with half a squad that couldn't challenge past February because he wouldn't play the rest of the squad that he had purchased. Then he wanted to start all over again.
If that's success as a manaager then the bar has been set pretty low.

[Legion]

There was no 'five-year plan'. It was a throw-away remark by the previous CEO.

[danlanza]

Martin O'Neill, Alex Mcleish and a dog are sitting in the pub when a man walks in and lifts the dog up in the air and looks underneath it then puts it back down and walks away.

 Alex says to Martin "what the fuck was that all about?" Martin replied "Haven't got a clue" two minutes later another man walks in picks up the dog and looks underneath and then walks out of the pub.

Straight after that another man walks in and lifts it up and looks underneath it and Martin asks "Why the fuck are you looking under the dog?" the man replies "I heard there was a dog in the pub with two arses"

Even better haha

[villanic]

Martin O'Neill, Alex Mcleish and a dog are sitting in the pub when a man walks in and lifts the dog up in the air and looks underneath it then puts it back down and walks away.

 Alex says to Martin "what the fuck was that all about?" Martin replied "Haven't got a clue" two minutes later another man walks in picks up the dog and looks underneath and then walks out of the pub.

Straight after that another man walks in and lifts it up and looks underneath it and Martin asks "Why the fuck are you looking under the dog?" the man replies "I heard there was a dog in the pub with two arses"

That's brilliant. Going to have to steal that for the pub later.

[Malandro]

That's because he spent all the money before he left. He knew it would go tits up. That's why he fucked off.

Congratulations on what I feel is a most accurate summation of the situation

A more accurate summary would be:

1. American Billionaire owner arrives trying to buy success,
2. Makes grand promises to manager and fans
3. Billionaire owner realises that there are other Billionaires with more money.
4. Pulls plug, loses interest
5. Manager upset, walks out
6. Club end up with shit players, shit manager and absent owner
7. Amercian sells up and buys art work

So you think continuing to spend money we didn't have was a viable business model?

Presumably you also think O'Neill was right to fuck off as soon as they asked him to actually try to manage the team he had purchased rather than giving him money to buy a new team again?

You can put words into my mouth if you wish.

The business model was Randy's not O'Neills. I find it odd that he is blamed for wasting money - surely the ultimate sanction is with the chairman? He either thinks its a good idea or not.
Its like asking a child what they want for Christmas and giving them your credit card. (But in this case the manager bought a good team)

The manager actually got us just outside the top 4 in a decent timescale and the majority of the big name signings were huge successes. Perhaps you can argue Habib Beye and the like should never have been on such huge salaries, but how much were the actual transfer fees...

Why he left the club in the manner he did... broken promises.  If you have financial security, its pretty easy to walk.

[Malandro]

I'm not saying that he was the perfect manager, some of his tactics were baffling and he could have found solutions to obvious team weaknesses years earlier.
But to put the blame at his door for a having squad full of high earners is ludicrous.

The club was put in that position because of the owner. The clubs income at the time was very easy to calculate - if he wanted a business model whereby the club paid for itself, he started in a most peculiar fashion.

[cdbearsfan]

We had a squad of high earners because O'Neill had a xenophobia that would make Nick Griffin blush. Rather than buy cheap,, promising foreigners he would rather British dross and give them £40,000+ a week to sit on the bench.

As for Lerner shoudln't have sanctioned it... that makes little sense to me. First, you say Lerner broke his promises and cut the spending so O'Neill walked. Then you say, he should have cut the spending... earlier? Make your mind up.

[Malandro]

We had a squad of high earners because O'Neill had a xenophobia that would make Nick Griffin blush. Rather than buy cheap,, promising foreigners he would rather British dross and give them £40,000+ a week to sit on the bench.

As for Lerner shoudln't have sanctioned it... that makes little sense to me. First, you say Lerner broke his promises and cut the spending so O'Neill walked. Then you say, he should have cut the spending... earlier? Make your mind up.

Once again words put into my mouth. I said he obviously did sanction it.  I also didn't say he should have cut the spending - he was the owner, he made the choices.
His choice was to come in guns blazing, spend a lot of money and give a lot of promises.

When he decided he couldn't compete, the backing (the vision he fed O'Neill) was taken away.

[Greg N'Ash]

That's because he spent all the money before he left. He knew it would go tits up. That's why he fucked off.

Congratulations on what I feel is a most accurate summation of the situation

A more accurate summary would be:

1. American Billionaire owner arrives trying to buy success,
2. Makes grand promises to manager and fans
3. Billionaire owner realises that there are other Billionaires with more money.
4. Pulls plug, loses interest
5. Manager upset, walks out
6. Club end up with shit players, shit manager and absent owner
7. Amercian sells up and buys art work

So you think continuing to spend money we didn't have was a viable business model?

Presumably you also think O'Neill was right to fuck off as soon as they asked him to actually try to manage the team he had purchased rather than giving him money to buy a new team again?

You can put words into my mouth if you wish.

The business model was Randy's not O'Neills. I find it odd that he is blamed for wasting money - surely the ultimate sanction is with the chairman? He either thinks its a good idea or not.
Its like asking a child what they want for Christmas and giving them your credit card. (But in this case the manager bought a good team)

The manager actually got us just outside the top 4 in a decent timescale and the majority of the big name signings were huge successes. Perhaps you can argue Habib Beye and the like should never have been on such huge salaries, but how much were the actual transfer fees...

Why he left the club in the manner he did... broken promises.  If you have financial security, its pretty easy to walk.

You make it sound like Lerner was forcing these players on MON. How many times did he threaten to walk out before they finally closed the purse strings? - I can imagine the reaction at the height of the fan's Saint Martin hysteria if Lerner hadn't agreed to buy Milner for example and MON had walked out. He'll do the same at Sunderland, where it will be "buy who i want or i walk and you'll have 40,000 mackems on your back."

anyway, ignoring all the conspircy theories of why he walked out, i still don't understand why anyone would applaud him for his record at least. The most expensively put together 6th placed team in premiership history and probably world football is hardly something you'd want to thank him for.