Do you have ANY faith left in McLeish ?

[NeilH]

it is a case of when the board stop being petty and accept they made a huge mistake and rectify it.

Well I hope you are a patient man then. There is one thing for sure and that is that multi-millonaires don't like to be proven wrong and certainly don't like a loads of proles screaming 'i told you so' at them.

[David_Nab]

No faith at all of the 7 wins 4 of them have been against teams below us.Considering only Bolton are currently  below us who we have left to play it doesn't exactly inspire confidence we can get out of this mess

[Hookeysmith]

I would love him to turn it around and prove all of us wrong, i really would but unfortunately he just does not have it in him

He is tactically naive at best  - bloody awful at worst

He has a great crop of youngsters who could be moulded for greatness in the future - yet i fear for all of them if he stays
The most depressing thing is that anyone of us that has a half brained Blues fan as a mate was told almost exactly how this would pan out

They deserved to win the cup on the day - but they bored everyone to death to get there.

Its different when you have lesser quality players - they have to graft and grind. He inherited (albeit a few with some attitude issues) mainly a team of internationals and in most cases has turned them into chumps

Sorry but he has to go


Brendan Rogers for me

[Zhong Yi]

worst Villa bosses since 1982

1st - Graham Turner
2nd - Billy McNeill
3rd - Alex McLeish

Venglos gets a sympathetic exclusion, even if in an Ivo Stas letter home, he claimed Doug Ellis approached him at a bus stop in Prague and offered him the Villa job.

[VicMackey]

It's a no from me.

If he had come in, made a good start and improved the football then he may have won us over.  However, it's been dreadful from day one, a large faction were always going to be against him and those who were more inclined to give him a chance seem to now have decided 'enough'.  My hope is that we can win a couple of games, secure safety and then make it clear to the owner that this little experiment has failed and that, never mind what he thinks, we demand a change.  The trouble is, I can't see a win coming any time soon so we'll just stagger on blindly a bit longer, heading towards the trap door....

I have never known such vitriol against a Villa manager (well, maybe Houllier in a couple of matches) and just can't see McLeish having a long-term future here.  After last season's managerial debacle I think we were all pretty excited about who would be the next manager.  That excitement imploded into incredulity when it became news that the owner was going to do the unthinkable and instead of the usual positive reversal in fortunes that teams tend to experience we've suffered a reversal of sorts in that we've got even worse.

Randy - we told you he was sh*t, we were right....

[JUAN PABLO]

worst Villa bosses since 1982

1st - Graham Turner
2nd - Billy McNeill
3rd - Alex McLeish

Venglos gets a sympathetic exclusion, even if in an Ivo Stas letter home, he claimed Doug Ellis approached him at a bus stop in Prague and offered him the Villa job.

Doug had this weird notion that foreign managers were going to be the thing of the future .

[Zhong Yi]

yes. especially for those who could not speak a word of the native language, and whilst Venglos was a manegerial 'experiment' fuck up, he wasn't in the same bracket as them three.

[Eigentor]

I've always said, give him until the end of the season. But as we're now close to the end of the season, he has now precious little time to strengthen his case.

He's not as hopeless as some of the caricatures posted on this forum, but Villa should and could do better, even in the state we're in at the moments.

[Dave Cooper please]

WHY HAS MY THREAD BEEN LOCKED!!!!?
FASCISTS!!!
EVERYONE ELSE HAS GOT A MACTWAT THREAD!!!!

[The Laughing Policeman]

You tell 'em Dave. It's your right to have your own McLeish thread.
If I was you I'd take the Mods to the European Court Of Human Rights. I think we should organise a protest about this, I've got some sheets we could use.

[Lambert and Payne]

None, its not as if we have a bad squad, id still say were good enough for top half, but when you defend from the front at home and show absolutely no motivational skills, pass the blame on, your not really doing all that well
He's useless

[garyshawsknee]

I think were only one post match interview from him saying the dreaded ' honest bunch of lads '.

[the weatherman]

I blame Sir Alex Ferguson, IF only he hadn't sent that Bloody letter...

[The Laughing Policeman]

If Stoke beat us on Monday I'm hoping PF will come out and say that the board has every confidence in the manager. We'll know then that it's only a matter of time before he's on his way.

[paul_e]

personally, I thought that losing the two best players on the team would be a GOOD thing and spring the boys right to the top!

Yeah, this again. It's a very simplistic view. No-one expected to finish in the top six again, or even top eight, having lost Young and Downing. But we had all summer, practically, to rebuild the team, and a reasonable amount of cash - almost £20m to do so. Not enough to challenge for Europe, but more than a lot of teams in this division get. Given that, we should be doing better than piddling around in 15th/16th place, having won seven league games in eight months.

Seven league games in eight months.

Its his inability to get a team scoring goals that is his main failing.  In the 'future of the manager' thread someone posted how many goals his teams had scored over the years.  Appalling.

Guilty, and sadly I've kept the figures ready to repost.

Only included league games because cup games against lower league teams in scotland would fairly quickly skew the stats.  I also missed the seasons where he changed jobs mid season, mainly because I couldn't be bothered to factor in the dates and discount goals when he wasn't at the club.  I don't think they'd make much difference to the picture anyway as it's nothing if not consistent.  I've also expanded the stats a bit to include goals conceded.

Season	Club	League Games	Goals for	(per game)	Goals Against	(per game)
94-95	motherwell	36	50	1.39	50	1.39
95-96	motherwell	36	28	0.78	39	1.08
96-97	motherwell	36	44	1.22	55	1.53
98-99	Hibernian	36	84	2.33	33	0.92
99-00	Hibernian	36	49	1.36	61	1.69
00-01	Hibernian	36	57	1.58	35	0.97
02-03	Rangers	36	101	2.81	28	0.78
03-04	Rangers	36	76	2.11	33	0.92
04-05	Rangers	36	78	2.17	22	0.61
05-06	Rangers	36	67	1.86	37	1.03
08-09	Blues	46	54	1.17	37	0.80
09-10	Blues	38	38	1.00	47	1.24
10-11	Blues	38	37	0.97	58	1.53
11-12	Villa	30	33	1.10	42	1.40
		512	796	1.55	577	1.13

                                          

Interesting to see that his much vaunted defensive qualities have never made it south of the border.