Do you have ANY faith left in McLeish ?

[Merv]

No.

A Scottish friend of mine was stunned when we hired McLeish. His opinion was that he usually did okay when he first took over a side, but then, given the chance to develop that team and bring in his own players, he invariably made them worse. McLeish doesn't have much of a track record for improving teams and taking them forward. We may escape this season, I can see us deteriorating further under him next.

[Shrek]

No,

This season has gone near identical to Blues season last year.
Injuries cannot be blamed as we have had majority full fit squad for most the season.

He has the total wrong mentality to be a premier league manager, he is to negative and is a poor man manager.

Get rid in the summer, no point now because our board would act like Wolves have, which would do more harm.

[JUAN PABLO]

He hasnt improved any player to be honest . People go on about Agbonlahor improved under him , has he?

[Vanilla]

I don't think most fans had any anyway. So in that respect, how we performing at the moment isn't exactly a revelation.

It's like thinking 'I knew I should have brought my brolly instead of the suntan lotion' whilst sitting in your B&B on your UK summer vacation, watching the monsoon outside.

[pmarachi]

personally, I thought that losing the two best players on the team would be a GOOD thing and spring the boys right to the top!

[VillaAlways]

personally, I thought that losing the two best players on the team would be a GOOD thing and spring the boys right to the top!

Newcastle managed it

[Mr Diggles]

I think he's struggling in a situation where not all the problems are of his making. However, I also think he is not the right man for the job, and Villa could get a better manager. Can we get one willing to work within the parameters set by Lerner or with the person spec Lerner sets out? That answer is more difficult to answer, so I guess it may be a case of McLeish being the best the Villa could get whilst Lerner is in charge and money is an issue.

I'm rimming the hole here, but I guess it's a no from me too. Villa should have a better manager.

[Merv]

personally, I thought that losing the two best players on the team would be a GOOD thing and spring the boys right to the top!

Yeah, this again. It's a very simplistic view. No-one expected to finish in the top six again, or even top eight, having lost Young and Downing. But we had all summer, practically, to rebuild the team, and a reasonable amount of cash - almost £20m to do so. Not enough to challenge for Europe, but more than a lot of teams in this division get. Given that, we should be doing better than piddling around in 15th/16th place, having won seven league games in eight months.

Seven league games in eight months.

[AV82EC]

I think he's struggling in a situation where not all the problems are of his making. However, I also think he is not the right man for the job, and Villa could get a better manager. Can we get one willing to work within the parameters set by Lerner or with the person spec Lerner sets out? That answer is more difficult to answer, so I guess it may be a case of McLeish being the best the Villa could get whilst Lerner is in charge and money is an issue.

I'm rimming the hole here, but I guess it's a no from me too. Villa should have a better manager.

You may be indeed rimming the hole but does your partner know you're posting on H&V at the same time. ;-)

[JUAN PABLO]

and the cup games were crap too

[Fergal]

personally, I thought that losing the two best players on the team would be a GOOD thing and spring the boys right to the top!

Yeah, this again. It's a very simplistic view. No-one expected to finish in the top six again, or even top eight, having lost Young and Downing. But we had all summer, practically, to rebuild the team, and a reasonable amount of cash - almost £20m to do so. Not enough to challenge for Europe, but more than a lot of teams in this division get. Given that, we should be doing better than piddling around in 15th/16th place, having won seven league games in eight months.

Seven league games in eight months.

Its his inability to get a team scoring goals that is his main failing.  In the 'future of the manager' thread someone posted how many goals his teams had scored over the years.  Appalling.

[ozzjim]

Bent got a lot of unfair stick from our fans this season, and to have managed to get 10 this season is impressive with the way we set up. We have missed his threat badly since he got injured.

In terms of Eck, he has to go. There is no positive outcome for the club keeping him, he will never, ever get the fanbase on side, and without that he is a dead man walking, it is a case of when the board stop being petty and accept they made a huge mistake and rectify it.

[bilsim]

With the players we have and the stature of our club, there is absolutely no excuse to be in the position we currently are. The "sit back and accept we'll get beaten" approach sickens me and even under Taylor, O'Leary and Houllier we played some good football or had those few games where it all came together. I don't see anything changing under McLeish, under Houllier the football began to change for the better, but watching Villa now is the same week in week out. Our defence are all at sea, we can't defend set pieces, we're weak in midfield and any time we go forward we inevitably end up fizzling out or passing back to our own box.
There's no progression, I don't care about McLeish being ex-Blues, but with a team containing the likes of N'Zogbia, Ireland, Bent and Agbonlahor as well as a lot of promising youth, is there any excuse to be losing to the likes of Swansea, drawing with Wigan and getting embarrassed by every "big" team we play?

[Fergal]

found this in another thread...

Manager Points per game

Mcleish 1.17
Houllier (Full Term - He did pick McAllister!) 1.36
Houllier (not counting illness) 1.32
O'Neill 1.58
O'Leary 1.34
Taylor 1.18
Gregory 1.57
Little 1.52
Atkinson 1.55

[Clampy]

It's a no for me as well.

I remember the Arsenal game at home where we played really well despite losing and i honestly thought it was going to be the turning point for him. Only Chelsea away and QPR in the 2nd half at home have come anywhere near close to how we played that night.

He can blame the current injury situation all he likes, but i believe that if all our players were still fit, we still would'nt be safe.