Summer Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours

[tomd2103]

N'Zog and Ireland are the key to us making this change, if they are interested and motivated they will be  the ones help us through the next few months.

Don't want to be overly negative, but I can't help but feel that we should not be pinning all our hopes on those pair.  Yes they are both talented players and of course we would all love them to consistently play to their full potential, but I just can't see either of them ever becoming the game-changing players we want them to be.     

[Concrete John]

N'Zog and Ireland are the key to us making this change, if they are interested and motivated they will be  the ones help us through the next few months.

Don't want to be overly negative, but I can't help but feel that we should not be pinning all our hopes on those pair.  Yes they are both talented players and of course we would all love them to consistently play to their full potential, but I just can't see either of them ever becoming the game-changing players we want them to be.   

With wages being our issue, then if that is the case we'll have to get rid and use the freed up funds for players that will contribute.  But that again is all about time and why we need to give Bertie time, and a couple of transfer windows, to sort out the mess he inherited.

[tomd2103]

N'Zog and Ireland are the key to us making this change, if they are interested and motivated they will be  the ones help us through the next few months.

Don't want to be overly negative, but I can't help but feel that we should not be pinning all our hopes on those pair.  Yes they are both talented players and of course we would all love them to consistently play to their full potential, but I just can't see either of them ever becoming the game-changing players we want them to be.   

With wages being our issue, then if that is the case we'll have to get rid and use the freed up funds for players that will contribute.  But that again is all about time and why we need to give Lambert time, and a couple of transfer windows, to sort out the mess he inherited.

Agree John.  Due to their wages, I think Lambert will have to come to a decision on N'Zogbia and Ireland by the end of this season.  As his dealings with Hutton and Warnock have shown, he doesn't mess around and I think Ireland and N'Zogbia will be moved on if they don't produce this season.   

I also agree that Lambert needs time and it could be a couple of seasons before he has everything in place on the field.     

[Risso]

Teams have won big and gone down before. The opening game is often a really strange game for most teams. Swansea have bought very well it would seem, goalscoring midfielder etc, players Laudrup knew. They hit the ground running. Lambert needs 2 years to get his team on the pitch and playing how he wants.

Jesus.  We'll have had nearly ten years of Lerner by then.  I want to see a big improvement a bit quicker than two years to be honest.  Lambert got Norwich from League 1 to the Premier League in that time.

[Concrete John]

Teams have won big and gone down before. The opening game is often a really strange game for most teams. Swansea have bought very well it would seem, goalscoring midfielder etc, players Laudrup knew. They hit the ground running. Lambert needs 2 years to get his team on the pitch and playing how he wants.

Jesus.  We'll have had nearly ten years of Lerner by then.  I want to see a big improvement a bit quicker than two years to be honest.  Lambert got Norwich from League 1 to the Premier League in that time.

I think that successive promotions from the lower leagues is an easier task than turning around the fortunes of a faltering top flight club.

The time Randy has been here isn't a factor, in my opinion, as the post MON era starts here for me.  The last two years were a waste and we must learn from them.  A progressive new manager with an eye for VFM in the market is what we needed when Houllier rocked up at the club.

[Risso]

Teams have won big and gone down before. The opening game is often a really strange game for most teams. Swansea have bought very well it would seem, goalscoring midfielder etc, players Laudrup knew. They hit the ground running. Lambert needs 2 years to get his team on the pitch and playing how he wants.

Jesus.  We'll have had nearly ten years of Lerner by then.  I want to see a big improvement a bit quicker than two years to be honest.  Lambert got Norwich from League 1 to the Premier League in that time.

I think that successive promotions from the lower leagues is an easier task than turning around the fortunes of a faltering top flight club.

The time Randy has been here isn't a factor, in my opinion, as the post MON era starts here for me.  The last two years were a waste and we must learn from them.  A progressive new manager with an eye for VFM in the market is what we needed when Houllier rocked up at the club.

We'll see of course, but there's no excuse not to be comfortabley mid-table by the end of the season.

[Concrete John]

We'll see of course, but there's no excuse not to be comfortabley mid-table by the end of the season.

I'd agree with that.  He achieved that with Norwich and I think he has a better squad to work with here.

[Chipsticks]

Hypothetically speaking, if we fail to shift Warnock and Hutton, and don't bring in any new players, who would play left back all season? I certainly wouldn't fancy baker.

In the scenario, I think I'd have Warnock.

[Concrete John]

I'd say Lichaj is the most likely candidate if we don't sign a new LB.

[Chipsticks]

I'm not sure why Lambert didn't start Lichaj over Baker at Left Back on Saturday, now you mention it.

[supertom]

I'm not sure why Lambert didn't start Lichaj over Baker at Left Back on Saturday, now you mention it.

He probably wanted Bakers added height against an Allardyce side. Plus he's left footed. I'd probably expect, IF we don't sign anyone else, Lichaj to play more at LB than Baker this season. Baker did well at the back, but going forward he offered nothing.

[john e]

i can see a few last minute deals done on the final day for a few of our fringe players, Hutton, Warnock maybe even Dunne if he wasnt injured, a couple of youngsters on loan or even sold, dont think they will be great deals for us but at least it they will be of the payroll.

i dont know why the last day is always so busy but the window being shut seems to spark people into action for some reason, maybe they think they can get a canny bargain like on 'Last minute.com'

i also think that managers , players and agents although swimming with money have never been at the cutting edge of bussiness and are still on the thick table (credit P Kay) when it comes down to doing deals, they still have the sniff of used car salesmen about them, no real policy just 'lets wait untill the end we'l get a better deal'
Fergie never does that and seems to do OK, they should look and learn

[Hookeysmith]

It is one game. He can't just wave a wand and make it happen. It will take time to get them playing the way he wants.

I am sorry but is that not what pre season is all about? He was with the players from the start and his signings were in early also.
I am not having a go at PL i am really pleased that we have him (although i would have had anyone after TSM as he was that bad)

We were fed the lines of attacking football - the first game saw no evidence of that, neat and tidy yes but attacking no - as others have said pre season played every game with 2 strikers - season starts and revert to the shite we watched last year albeit with a bit more passing about

Laudrop had even less time with his lot and lost a key player but still Swansea attacked

I cannot stand another season of gutless, blunt football

So you've made your mind up on the basis of ONE league match?

Christ almighty. I honestly don't know what to say to that. I don't see how you're not having a go at PL (it's your prerogative if you want to, mind) if you're complaining we weren't playing attacking football, and all we've played is our first league game.

Laudrup has had less time with his team - a team who have been playing the way he wants them to for years now. Don't you see how it's a lot easier to get a team playing football for you if they've already been playing it for several years?

No i have not made my mind up - i want to know why every game in pre season he played with 2 strikers and we scored in every game but more impirtantly made a good few chances yet first league game we go with 1 up top and have very few chances of note - to the point where we only saw one on MOTD but my comment was from a friend who went to the game and he said yes we held the ball much better but we were as blunt as last season

[Concrete John]

I'm not sure why Lambert didn't start Lichaj over Baker at Left Back on Saturday, now you mention it.

He probably wanted Bakers added height against an Allardyce side. Plus he's left footed. I'd probably expect, IF we don't sign anyone else, Lichaj to play more at LB than Baker this season. Baker did well at the back, but going forward he offered nothing.

I'd say that's the most likely answer.

[Concrete John]

i want to know why every game in pre season he played with 2 strikers and we scored in every game but more impirtantly made a good few chances yet first league game we go with 1 up top and have very few chances of note

I wonder if it was a message from Bertie to Randy that he needs to put up the cash for a striker?