Summer Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours

[pauliewalnuts]

Yep, that's a showstopper. Kalou would be no better though - we need to carry on finding players who will offer good value such as KEA.

Why would Kalou be no better -

Kalou  aged 26     - Chelsea 6 seasons P 244 G 60 A 40 cost FREE
Dempsey aged 29 -  Fulham 6 seasons P 225 G 60 A 18 cost £10m

Kalou is younger, £10m cheaper, has similar goal to game ratio but creates a lot more goals than Dempsey and as for finding players that offer good value for money Dempsey doesn't fall into that category when Kalou is better and free.

Kalou would be coming from a club which plays champions league year in, year out, and regularly wins silverware.

What would his attitude be like after a move like this?

[villastikz]

Except Kalou would want big wages and hasn't particularly shown anything to suggest he's worth paying it.

Maybe you should read my previous post which clearly disproves this statement and do you think if Dempsey is sold for £10 that he would only want £20k a week wages, he will want at least £50k.

Dempsey £10m + 3 year contract at £50k a week = £17,800,000
Kalouon a Free + 3 year contract at £50k a week = £7,800,000

[villastikz]

Kalou would be coming from a club which plays champions league year in, year out, and regularly wins silverware.

What would his attitude be like after a move like this?

Well he won't be forced to join the club it will be his choice where he goes to as a free agent so he will go where he wants to play and I expect he would want to prove a point to Chelsea that they should of offered him a new deal.

He would be the no1 left winger at the Villa and get to play regular football, something he wasn't getting at Chelsea towards the end as I believe he only started 12 league games for them as he was behind Malouda, whereas he would pretty much start every game for us.

[Concrete John]

Kalou has gained those stats in a team that dominates most games and attacks a lot.  Dempsey has getten his 60 goals in a side much more akin to where Villa are right now. 

[pauliewalnuts]

Kalou would be coming from a club which plays champions league year in, year out, and regularly wins silverware.

What would his attitude be like after a move like this?

Well he won't be forced to join the club it will be his choice where he goes to as a free agent so he will go where he wants to play and I expect he would want to prove a point to Chelsea that they should of offered him a new deal.

He would be the no1 left winger at the Villa and get to play regular football, something he wasn't getting at Chelsea towards the end as I believe he only started 12 league games for them as he was behind Malouda, whereas he would pretty much start every game for us.

The only reason he'd be coming here is $$$, and that's not the best of reasons.

[villastikz]

Kalou has gained those stats in a team that dominates most games and attacks a lot.  Dempsey has getten his 60 goals in a side much more akin to where Villa are right now.

But he is £10 MILLION - we don't have that money to spend on 1 player if we are to properly and effectively strengthen the whole squad, we need left winger, full back(s), center backs, maybe a striker too, if we brought Dempsey it would leave little money to get all the other players we need.

We have to be realistic, we can't afford to splash out £10m on 1 player because we need too many players.

[Toronto Villa]

Kalou has gained those stats in a team that dominates most games and attacks a lot.  Dempsey has getten his 60 goals in a side much more akin to where Villa are right now. 

Clint Dempsey would be superb even at his age. He is exactly the type of never give up player that we need at the club. I just don't think we'd be in the market right now with so many other areas to fill for a player like Dempsey, and at his age, that price and salary.

[KRS]

There is no doubt that Dempsey would be brilliant at Villa Park...potentially the missing piece of the midfield jigsaw with his experience, work rate, passing and eye for goal. The £10m price tag is a massive stumbling block though if the transfer budget is limited as we really need to be strengthening the back four...if we have the budget once those positions then go and get him.

Kalou would be a great signing too with or without Dempsey...if we can afford his wages within the budget then players of that quality can only add strength in depth to a squad that has lacked any kind of depth these last few seasons.

[Concrete John]

I think the £20m budget is paper speculation and we have no way of knowing how accurate it is or isn't.  We've already brought in 2 players at a total of £2.5m, so with Bosmans £7.5m could get you 4 players, even if one of them was the whole £7.5m on his own.

In truth the wages are more important still I think than the fees, so I don't go along with the '"We can't afford £10m on one player" theory.     

[Mazrim]

I do like Dempsey but we could probably do smarter business with £10m.
I agree with John though, that we probably could spend £10m on one player without killing other business.

[ozzjim]

It all depends who we are looking at doesn't it. If we go for say Rodellega on a free with a wage of 30k a week, a centre mid like Howson, or Butterfield from Barnsley for 3-4 million on 20k a week, Clyne on 20k, Naughton for 6 on 30k and Brahimi on loan, you have spent about 12 million, could see Hutton, Warnock, Collins and maybe Ireland leave, but up in wages and still have 20 million to blow on a centre half and a winger. Creativity with the money we have, selling players on and thinking about getting what we need is the important thing.

[tomd2103]

I think the £20m budget is paper speculation and we have no way of knowing how accurate it is or isn't.  We've already brought in 2 players at a total of £2.5m, so with Bosmans £7.5m could get you 4 players, even if one of them was the whole £7.5m on his own.

In truth the wages are more important still I think than the fees, so I don't go along with the '"We can't afford £10m on one player" theory.   

It also doesn't take into account any money raised by selling players this summer either.  I know clubs are hardly falling over themselves to sign our players, but moving on the likes of Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Hutton and the Fonz, could raise some extra money.  The big dilemma will be if a club comes in with a big offer (£20m +) for Bent. 

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Anybody know anything about  Yacine Brahimi? The local press in Rennes are saying we are looking to bring him over, probably on loan. He looks a talented winger, even if he appears to be a short arse (no offence, Mazrim).

[N'ZMAV]

I'd take Kalou and sell Gabby.

[Concrete John]

We also have to understand and accept that Bertie may not see the same priorities as we do.  For instance, he may think he can get Gabby to be an effective winger and really rate Albrighton and our emerging wingers like Carruthers, so striker a wide player from the list.  That then saves money, which can be used elsewhere. 

And I use the 'accept' particularly in the case of giving chances to the defenders we mostly want shot of.