Summer Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours

[Villanation]

I could not disagree with almost every point more. Blind support because he had Villa links as a kid at its most sickly.

That borders on the pathetic.

[Percy McCarthy]

Unfair ozz, you don't know that's why he likes him. Personally speaking it has no bearing on why I rate him so highly. I'm not even sure how seriously I take the Villa fan stuff. I do think he likes living in Brum though.

You wouldn't appreciate it if I said you prefer Bent because he's a big name, big transfer fee player would you? I'd rather discuss their merit as footballers myself.

[Villanation]

Unfair ozz, you don't know that's why he likes him. it's certainly has no bearing on why I rate him so highly.

You wouldn't appreciate it if I said you prefer Bent because he's a big name, big transfer fee player would you?

Agree, what a comment, dunno about sick loyalty i can think about sick something else

 

[ozzjim]

Unfair ozz, you don't know that's why he likes him. Personally speaking it has no bearing on why I rate him so highly. I'm not even sure how seriously I take the Villa fan stuff. I do think he likes living in Brum though.

You wouldn't appreciate it if I said you prefer Bent because he's a big name, big transfer fee player would you? I'd rather discuss their merit as footballers myself.

It is clearly the reason when he talks about him having a claret and blue blow up doll and claret and blue sheet and bog paper etc Percy.

I prefer Bent because he scores goals, which win football matches. Since he has been injured Gabby has not scored in the league, he got 3 last season, and is, apart from 30 minutes today before getting injured, not even a threat. He seems reluctant to put the afterburners on and has no movement. You will find 90% of my observations on Gabby are about the footballer, not the history, this was a very specific post to 1 particular poster.

[TheSandman]

I thought it was well established that Gabby wasn't particularly interested in football as a youngster? If supporting a club is so important we should never have sold Zat Knight. The boy had Villa blood running through him and was a serious Villa supporter.

[Vanilla]

I thought it was well established that Gabby wasn't particularly interested in football as a youngster? If supporting a club is so important we should never have sold Zat Knight. The boy had Villa blood running through him and was a serious Villa supporter.

The sad thing is, at the moment you feel it would be better for his career if he left.

[Villanation]

Unfair ozz, you don't know that's why he likes him. Personally speaking it has no bearing on why I rate him so highly. I'm not even sure how seriously I take the Villa fan stuff. I do think he likes living in Brum though.

You wouldn't appreciate it if I said you prefer Bent because he's a big name, big transfer fee player would you? I'd rather discuss their merit as footballers myself.

It is clearly the reason when he talks about him having a claret and blue blow up doll and claret and blue sheet and bog paper etc Percy.

I prefer Bent because he scores goals, which win football matches. Since he has been injured Gabby has not scored in the league, he got 3 last season, and is, apart from 30 minutes today before getting injured, not even a threat. He seems reluctant to put the afterburners on and has no movement. You will find 90% of my observations on Gabby are about the footballer, not the history, this was a very specific post to 1 particular poster.

You meaningless twat, that as you well know was an of the cuff remark and nothing more, as for you prefer Bent, that's your opinion but to give you some wake up and smell the coffee realism, yes has been a great goal scorer in his day, but not for Villa, how many goals has he scored for us this season and how much did this player cost and how much is he costing the club, and as for the goals he scores that win matches, have you seen our record in the Premiership, I'll repeat for your deluded mind, we don't score goals and we don't win matches, and from what I can see at Villa Bent misses way more chances then he takes.

As for my loyalty for Gabby perhaps I can enlighten you on that also, Gabby has notched up 250 appearances for the club, he's still only 25, he's provided some great moments for the club, if he stay at the club he will become the clubs leading goalscorer of all time, but let me give you a lesson in life as to why I think this guy merits a bit more from the fans, as we see football slowly but surely going into meltdown with soaring wages, spiraling costs, and players that drop clubs at a moments notice like Ash Young and Downing in pursuit of self gratification and money, you then occasionally get one player who stands out from the rest and shows absolute loyalty, not only that this player works endlessly for both the club and the city sponsoring and working for deprived kids and the elderly and in-firmed, and that, so you possibly can understand, is why Gabby would be selected as Cap't, not because he's any good at it because he's all that's left in the pecking order that represents the club.

Your not only wrong your a million miles wrong, you need to show some backbone and get your priorities right, if Gabby was playing that badly I would be the first to say leave him on the bench, and have done so recently, but as for a dull mind like yours you can see today the minute Gabby went of allowed Sunderland to push up and where down our throats for the rest of the game.

As for my comments, quite simply if you don't like them, flex some of that muscle and ban me, by all means, but one thing is for sure, you can comment on the football issue of my comments all you like, that's what this is, but don't get personal with me because I can assure you I will give as good as I get.

You know what to do, and before you get one of the boys in, its me that wants the apology

[Clampy]

As much as i like Gabby, he's not offered much in the last few games and sometimes if it's not working, you have to make a decision for the good of team. I'd have left him out today personally.

[KevinGage]

You meaningless twat

No need for that.

[ROBBO]

Gabby on top form is a real danger to the opposition problem is he rarely is on top form.

[ozzjim]

Unfair ozz, you don't know that's why he likes him. Personally speaking it has no bearing on why I rate him so highly. I'm not even sure how seriously I take the Villa fan stuff. I do think he likes living in Brum though.

You wouldn't appreciate it if I said you prefer Bent because he's a big name, big transfer fee player would you? I'd rather discuss their merit as footballers myself.

It is clearly the reason when he talks about him having a claret and blue blow up doll and claret and blue sheet and bog paper etc Percy.

I prefer Bent because he scores goals, which win football matches. Since he has been injured Gabby has not scored in the league, he got 3 last season, and is, apart from 30 minutes today before getting injured, not even a threat. He seems reluctant to put the afterburners on and has no movement. You will find 90% of my observations on Gabby are about the footballer, not the history, this was a very specific post to 1 particular poster.

You meaningless twat, that as you well know was an of the cuff remark and nothing more, as for you prefer Bent, that's your opinion but to give you some wake up and smell the coffee realism, yes has been a great goal scorer in his day, but not for Villa, how many goals has he scored for us this season and how much did this player cost and how much is he costing the club, and as for the goals he scores that win matches, have you seen our record in the Premiership, I'll repeat for your deluded mind, we don't score goals and we don't win matches, and from what I can see at Villa Bent misses way more chances then he takes.

As for my loyalty for Gabby perhaps I can enlighten you on that also, Gabby has notched up 250 appearances for the club, he's still only 25, he's provided some great moments for the club, if he stay at the club he will become the clubs leading goalscorer of all time, but let me give you a lesson in life as to why I think this guy merits a bit more from the fans, as we see football slowly but surely going into meltdown with soaring wages, spiraling costs, and players that drop clubs at a moments notice like Ash Young and Downing in pursuit of self gratification and money, you then occasionally get one player who stands out from the rest and shows absolute loyalty, not only that this player works endlessly for both the club and the city sponsoring and working for deprived kids and the elderly and in-firmed, and that, so you possibly can understand, is why Gabby would be selected as Cap't, not because he's any good at it because he's all that's left in the pecking order that represents the club.

Your not only wrong your a million miles wrong, you need to show some backbone and get your priorities right, if Gabby was playing that badly I would be the first to say leave him on the bench, and have done so recently, but as for a dull mind like yours you can see today the minute Gabby went of allowed Sunderland to push up and where down our throats for the rest of the game.

As for my comments, quite simply if you don't like them, flex some of that muscle and ban me, by all means, but one thing is for sure, you can comment on the football issue of my comments all you like, that's what this is, but don't get personal with me because I can assure you I will give as good as I get.

You know what to do, and before you get one of the boys in, its me that wants the apology

To break my answer down, as I fear I need to I will address it point by point.

1. Meaningless? Really? On an internet message board from a person who did indeed make reference to Gabby having a claret and blue blow up doll to emphasise your opinion of his Villa-ness, responding to me saying you are blinkered because he is Villa through and through. Calling someone meaningless over the internet you have never met is a bit much. Twat I could not give a damn about, it is worth about 2p in insult terms.

2.  you prefer Bent, that's your opinion but to give you some wake up and smell the coffee realism, yes has been a great goal scorer in his day, but not for Villa, how many goals has he scored for us this season and how much did this player cost and how much is he costing the club, and as for the goals he scores that win matches, have you seen our record in the Premiership, I'll repeat for your deluded mind, we don't score goals and we don't win matches, and from what I can see at Villa Bent misses way more chances then he takes.

I believe, without being arsed to look it up, Bent has scored 19 goals in 41 starts for Villa since his move. I am not sure what part of my mind is deluded by that, but in his day appears to be at the moment, his goals kept Villa up last season, when, if I recall, Gabby managed 3 all season in many more games, while this he has hit the heady heights of 6 in 32, compared to Bent with 10 in 25 or something. I am really not sure I need to say more on this, although delusion appears to be coming from you thinking that Gabby is somehow a better bet in getting us goals. I will repeat though, 19 in 41, compared to 9 in about 65. Or 1 in his last 20. Just for your deluded mind. I do hope it is sinking in. I also think I am right in saying our poor form lately, which is what, 1 win in how many? Has come without Bent, and with us rarely looking like scoring. At least Bent gets into a position to miss chances.

3... right next...

As for my loyalty for Gabby perhaps I can enlighten you on that also, Gabby has notched up 250 appearances for the club, he's still only 25, he's provided some great moments for the club, if he stay at the club he will become the clubs leading goalscorer of all time, but let me give you a lesson in life as to why I think this guy merits a bit more from the fans, as we see football slowly but surely going into meltdown with soaring wages, spiraling costs, and players that drop clubs at a moments notice like Ash Young and Downing in pursuit of self gratification and money, you then occasionally get one player who stands out from the rest and shows absolute loyalty, not only that this player works endlessly for both the club and the city sponsoring and working for deprived kids and the elderly and in-firmed, and that, so you possibly can understand, is why Gabby would be selected as Cap't, not because he's any good at it because he's all that's left in the pecking order that represents the club.


A player should have to be a good leader to be captain. The charity work, and his standing as a man is something I have not once questioned and think is a truly brilliant thing, and something he should rightfully be commended for. His loyalty has never been put to the test, and I would bet my mortgage and my kids, that were he good enough and Man United came in as they did for Young, he would go to further his career. He is at the highest level he will get to at Villa, and I think he knows that. He also, when out of the team under Houllier has said that he thought he would have to move on to play regularly, so I am not sure how much you can put on that. Barry had played a similar amount of games at 25 and contributed significantly more on the pitch than Gabby for me. He left to pursue the opportunity to win things, the only one of the players above who has left a genuine bad taste is Downing, but then since leaving Young is likely to get a title, Downing has 1 cup and is in another final, and Barry has won the FA Cup. All 4 including Milner went because of the opportunity to better themselves, I am not so sure Gabby has had or will get that chance. He is not an intelligent enough football wise to go on to the next level. As for the comment of leading goalscorer of all time, at his current rate he would need to notch up approximately 1200 games for the club. The lack of knowledge of that suggestion is incredible. It is more likely that in 3 seasons time, if both still here, Darren Bent will have scored more goals for Aston Villa.

4. Your not only wrong your a million miles wrong, you need to show some backbone and get your priorities right, if Gabby was playing that badly I would be the first to say leave him on the bench, and have done so recently, but as for a dull mind like yours you can see today the minute Gabby went of allowed Sunderland to push up and where down our throats for the rest of the game.

Wrong about what exactly. You seem to be in a bit of a muddle here enlightened one. First you say you would leave him out (which indeed I would, is that not showing backbone leaving out a fans favourite? How am I meant to be demonstrating said backbone?) and then say that when he went off we were worse for it today. We were, kind of today. He had a blistering 30 minutes where he looked dangerous, but we still did not score that elusive goal, and indeed looked more likely to get it with Heskey and Weimann, who has got more natural movement (not workrate, running around and closing, I feel I need to make that clear) in his left toe than Gabby has. Gabby is a brilliant, brilliant athlete, but he is not naturally gifted at getting into scoring positions, hence his goal ratio.

Sunderland were down our throats? Really? I thought it was a pretty even second half in fairness. Down our throats suggests some kind of epic siege on our goal. Not what I saw.

5... still going....


As for my comments, quite simply if you don't like them, flex some of that muscle and ban me, by all means, but one thing is for sure, you can comment on the football issue of my comments all you like, that's what this is, but don't get personal with me because I can assure you I will give as good as I get.


I would not ban someone for comments about football, and I regret to inform you that I did not ban you either, I believe your personal insults achieved that from another moderator, while I was living my meaningless life with my wife and 3 kids watching TV and not thinking about the football. I believe my comments were about your posts on your blinkered view, and I asked in the match thread whether you were on drugs after your aforementioned doll comment. They were nothing on the scale that you seemed to want to go down sadly. Almost every comment in the post I am dissecting appears to be laced with a personal insult.


6. You know what to do, and before you get one of the boys in, its me that wants the apology

One of the boys? And what am I apologising for? I feel sorry for you. That is as close as you will get.

[KevinGage]

I thought it was well established that Gabby wasn't particularly interested in football as a youngster? If supporting a club is so important we should never have sold Zat Knight. The boy had Villa blood running through him and was a serious Villa supporter.

Aye,  Arsenal fan as a kid, wasn't it?   Some ex Campion schoolmate will no doubt confirm.

What I am sure about is the day after he scored a late equalizer v Everton at home in 2007, he did an interview with Central News and the interviewer was obviously going in with the Villa fan made good angle.   "As a fan, how did it feel scoring at the Holte End.  No doubt you'd have been in there if you weren't playing!"

Would have been the easiest thing in the world for Gabby to play along, but pure deadpan he just said "Nah, I never used to go to Villa games."

That always sticks in my mind when I see all this 'Villa through and through' guff.  He's a local lad, and probably wouldn't want the hassle of leaving the area if he can help it.  That's probably about as far as it goes though.

[bertlambshank]

Back on topic I can't remember a season where Gabbys form hasn't nosedived at some point.

[Dante Lavelli]

Back on topic I can't remember a season where Gabbys form hasn't nosedived at some point.

That’s definitely true.  Balanced by a period where he looks literally a world beater (in flashes anyway). 

My gut feeling is one of Gabby or Bent will have to leave as basically we need the money to shape the squad.  There are pros and cons of both staying and leaving so it’s probably wisest to let the market decide who should go. 

[Goldie.7]

I've never rated Gabby even when we were a top 6 club. You just know in the back of your mind though, if he were to go to a better club like Arsenal or even Spurs he would improve vastly and score more goals, he'd probably do well at Sunderland too as they have 3 or 4 useful players we could do with. Playing with better players makes you work much harder, at the minute Gabby knows he'll be starting every game till his contract expires or he's sold.