Takeover Rumour

[olaftab]

I actually want Randy to sell, he's all but given up.
In managerial speak ' he's taken the club as far as he can'.

As far as he wants to.

[WALTERS WARRIORS]

We are probably at our lowest for several years and there is no sign of us recovering. So if the Quatar group or any other super rich group with an established reputation made an offer, it would be the turn round we are desperate for. Lerner would not let this club go to anyone he thought did not have the club at heart. I do think he has lost interest and his continued absence appears to confirm that ......................

[AV82EC]

I'm not trying to be funny but how anyone can say he's lost interest when last year he provided another £25 million in funding? It just doesn't add up.

[ozzjim]

I think the 25 million was basically covering Walker Bent and Makoun, as the reach of relegation would have seen this loss look small in time.

[pauliewalnuts]

I'm not trying to be funny but how anyone can say he's lost interest when last year he provided another £25 million in funding? It just doesn't add up.

It does, if the failure to add 25m would have led to the company going tits up (not saying it would, just giving an example)?

Losing interest in competing etc etc is one thing. Losing interest to the point that you sit by and watch your investment become worthless is another altogether.

[robbo1874]

If we're bought out by a huge oligarch or oil barron then I think that I'll walk away from football.
If it's built on vulgar foundations based on one person's ego then I'm not interested.  I'd prefer to grow organically - like arsenal or spurs - rather then effectively end up supporting who'll merely throw money at it.

You could argue that Doug built villa on the foundations of his own ego , presumably that didn't stop you going to vp whilst he had control of the club?

I know what you're trying to say though and I agree largely.

[Shoody]

One of the ways these big Oil-Rich companies will get around Financial Fair Play rules is by dodgy sponsorship deals. Faulkner has spent all year making long term deals with Macron, Genting and I presume money changed hands for the Sohu deal too.

It would be hard to have a mega-money deal for just our stadium naming rights as fans would be against it and the other areas they could be done for instance Liverpools £150m kit deal, or Utd's £40m Training Kit deal are already tied up in contracts with Macron and Genting.. and FFP would look very suspiciously at us getting £40m for our training top. What im trying to say is that even if we get taken over. It will be a while yet until they can start making the deals that will actually make us able to start investing and get into Europe.

Also, over the next 3 years we can only make a loss of €45m. Last season alone we lost €64.5m. Obviously there are a lot of fees to come off that this year in terms of loss. But I dont think we'll do that year in year out for the next 3 seasons.

I could be completely wrong and maybe there could be things we could do to bankroll the club, or maybe cancel deals or find other loopholes around FFP.

But if we were selling up why would Randy and Faulkner be spending so long getting 3/4 year deals with Macron and Genting (or even McLeish?), it doesnt make sense to me. I dont think we'll be getting sold.

[pauliewalnuts]

FFP only matters if you are playing in Europe. That's not going to happen fo a while yet.

[Mazrim]

The Macron and Genting deals were good financial deals to make for where we are at the moment. If a takeover happened it could be a couple of years before the club merited massive deals with Sheikh Yerbouti Airways or Addidas.

In any case there could be contractual loopholes where Villa can buy themselves out of the contracts or provide compensation for early termination.

[Shoody]

FFP only matters if you are playing in Europe. That's not going to happen fo a while yet.

Yes but in relation to this QIA takeover rumour that keeps popping up.. IF they were going to buy us it would be to win things and get into Europe. So it matters in relation to the thread.

[Shoody]

The Macron and Genting deals were good financial deals to make for where we are at the moment. If a takeover happened it could be a couple of years before the club merited massive deals with Sheikh Yerbouti Airways or Addidas.

In any case there could be contractual loopholes where Villa can buy themselves out of the contracts or provide compensation for early termination.

I agree. I think Faulkner did very well making those deals considering they gave us more money than before, despite us being infinitely more shit than we were before.. Yeah thats what I was saying, but Im not sure a Sheikh would want to wait a few years to get to play with his new toy.

[pauliewalnuts]

FFP only matters if you are playing in Europe. That's not going to happen fo a while yet.

Yes but in relation to this QIA takeover rumour that keeps popping up.. IF they were going to buy us it would be to win things and get into Europe. So it matters in relation to the thread.

It only pops up on here and Villa Talk, though, doesn't it? The takeover, I mean.

It's just something that keeps getting  resurrected randomly. Look at the first post in this thread, for example. It is talking about a potential takeover, and there are six pages of discussion following it, but the thread was only started because someone asked whether there is likely to be one - not because there is further rumour about it.

Don't get me wrong, I would love it to be true, but it still exists only in the posts of a handful of people on here - there's nothing else out there, really.

[Mazrim]

To be fair it's on a lot more than 2 sites and the rumours have been circulating for months now.
Doesn't mean there's anything more to it than rumour but still...

[pauliewalnuts]

To be fair it's on a lot more than 2 sites and the rumours have been circulating for months now.
Doesn't mean there's anything more to it than rumour but still...

Where else is it then, other than Villa fans sites?

[Mazrim]

To be fair it's on a lot more than 2 sites and the rumours have been circulating for months now.
Doesn't mean there's anything more to it than rumour but still...

Where else is it then, other than Villa fans sites?

Well, there's more than 2 fan sites for starters. I've personally heard talk outside of the internet altogether, plus a lot of it kicked off on that Sports Witness site and a few others that were not specifically about Villa. Then there were articles in newspapers over the last few months about Randy being ready to sell and of course a lot of it is adding 2 + 2 and getting x.

I'm not claiming anything as cast iron proof (I dont really know what to think) but the takeover rumours and evidence for it are a lot more widespread than simply on Villa Talk and H&V.