'Waste of a Club'

[Jimmy Smash]

mcleish, got blosers promoted, relegated, won their first silverwear in their history. Hughton, got blose to the last 16 and pushing for play offs?? which one is preferential??
lambert and rodgers file under phil brown, paul jewell and steve coppell! they have achieved the maximum they will with either club.saunders, robinson and the rest named from the lower leagues need to do more,
as for our ginger,,, well i blame MON for spending every penny we frigging well had and then fuckng off as soon as the gravy train ended!

Houghton took The Toon up at first ask. What he is doing at The Bloose is even more miraculous. He showed an aptitude for working with little money at The Barcodes, and is doing it again under even more difficult circumstances. . He also took The Barcodes to a very respectable place in the PL with practically the same squad, then was sacked for his trouble by an idiot owner. Taking this into account... he'd have been ideal for our situation.

[Legion]

I have always been very pro Lerner and to a very large degree I still am.   However, I think Villa's drift and Randy Lerner's drift further and further into the background are the same thing.

The one thing Lerner has not done which was very much in his power to do is give us a board with football balls.   The recent landscape of the club is dominated by bad board decisions.

If I had it in my power to change just one thing which has happened at Villa Park since O'Neill walked out it would be to have the board stand up to O'Neill and tell the club's side of the story.

It makes me curl up with anger, with disgust, with shame, and with embarassment on days like yesterday when Martin O'Neill is able to strut the stage of British football as a superhero endowed with divine talents somewhere between a latter day Joan of Arc and Galahad whose heart was pure.

I accept that a defeat at a tribunal may well have been on the cards but some fights you have to fight regardless of the odds.   You have to tell it how it is, not shuffle off down Spin Alley.

The sun went behind a cloud over Villa Park not the day that O'Neill walked or the day that Stoke equalized or the day Houllier's heart missed a beat or the day Randy Lerner flew to Corsica.   It was the day we decided that O'Neill's claims for wrongful dismissal should not be contested.   From that day onwards the legend that without Messiah Martin we are nothing has spread like a malignant fungus.

Any chance of a rebirth for the club was stillborn with the appointment of a manager who preferred to be linked with Liverpool followed by a manager who came with more baggage than Ryanair.

I hope that the the rediscovery of ourselves is not in the Championship but I cannot see any other wake up call being loud enough to wake the sleepwalker.

Brilliant, Brian.

[hawkeye]

As I said before and have raised many times withut response. Isnt it a fact that RL lost, and paid MON off because of the damage it would have done to the clubs / his reputation. We have not had any explanation about MON walking.
Based on the way they have managed the club since the MON departure i am begining to believe that RL was probably more at fault than MON.

[Toronto Villa]

blimey, hard to disagree with that. Yes, and very well put Mr Green.

We've been a great club waiting to happen again for 30 years. That article could have been written about us at various stages since we won the European Cup. We threaten to do something and then all too often fall back to a position of underachievement. It's like we are really comfortable there despite publicly proclaiming how much we hate it.

I do often wonder whether the spell might have been broken had Sir Graham not gone to England.

[Dave]

Yep I suggested Houghton, and he would have been a far better bet than who we have ended up with.

He was a good midfielder for us in his day but he's never managed in his life before.

[Villanation]

Great thread, and lets face it the guys is bang on, love the bit about the girl in the corner, a gorgeous beauty wrapped in a sack with a dead head boyfriend taking no notice, basically a complete waste.

Villa are top 4 potential, no question, we just don't have the right components to do it, even the Chairman now seems dodgy, looking at O'Neill at Sunderland and yet again some of the comments by the pundits on yesterdays game saying he's one of the very best managers in the UK, so where did it all go wrong, yes he wasted a few quid on dead weight, but he also got in quality, and lets face it what manager doesn't end up with players that don't pan out, and look where we are now.

I think its time for Lerner to wake up, have a firm idea as to where we should be going, realize we are not going to get there in our present state and take steps to change things. 

[Jimmy Smash]

I think its important to remember that MON is still in the honeymoon phase, and I it's inevitable that one day he will fcuk them over as he has done everyone else. If he does good work up there he'll get a big 4 job, if he fails he'll take his toys with him as he did with us. It may take 5 years but it will happen. I pity Sunderland. they aren't a bad lot up there.

[dave.woodhall]

So far he's done nothing more for them than John Gregory did for us, and the similarity doesn't end there.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

I have always been very pro Lerner and to a very large degree I still am.   However, I think Villa's drift and Randy Lerner's drift further and further into the background are the same thing.

The one thing Lerner has not done which was very much in his power to do is give us a board with football balls.   The recent landscape of the club is dominated by bad board decisions.

If I had it in my power to change just one thing which has happened at Villa Park since O'Neill walked out it would be to have the board stand up to O'Neill and tell the club's side of the story.

It makes me curl up with anger, with disgust, with shame, and with embarassment on days like yesterday when Martin O'Neill is able to strut the stage of British football as a superhero endowed with divine talents somewhere between a latter day Joan of Arc and Galahad whose heart was pure.

I accept that a defeat at a tribunal may well have been on the cards but some fights you have to fight regardless of the odds.   You have to tell it how it is, not shuffle off down Spin Alley.

The sun went behind a cloud over Villa Park not the day that O'Neill walked or the day that Stoke equalized or the day Houllier's heart missed a beat or the day Randy Lerner flew to Corsica.   It was the day we decided that O'Neill's claims for wrongful dismissal should not be contested.   From that day onwards the legend that without Messiah Martin we are nothing has spread like a malignant fungus.

Any chance of a rebirth for the club was stillborn with the appointment of a manager who preferred to be linked with Liverpool followed by a manager who came with more baggage than Ryanair.

I hope that the the rediscovery of ourselves is not in the Championship but I cannot see any other wake up call being loud enough to wake the sleepwalker.

Brilliant, Brian.

REALLY BRILLIANT, Brian.
Says it all for me.

[hawkeye]

So far he's done nothing more for them than John Gregory did for us, and the similarity doesn't end there.

Care to expand?

[dave.woodhall]

So far he's done nothing more for them than John Gregory did for us, and the similarity doesn't end there.

Care to expand?

They both had plenty of money available, both had a transfer record best described as mixed, both played crap football, left in circumstances that suited them rather than the club and had a hold over some of our supporters that I couldn't understand then and still can't.

[Sexual Ealing]

I think its important to remember that MON is still in the honeymoon phase, and I it's inevitable that one day he will fcuk them over as he has done everyone else.

Who else did he 'fuck over'?

At Leicester he turned Leeds down mid-season. At Celtic he left to look after his very ill wife. At Norwich he was lied to by their crooked chairman and so walked when he realised this.

Contrary to what's said on here, Celtic fans don't hate him - many of them still call him 'St. Martin'.

Dave, what did Gregory ever do with any other club?

[dave.woodhall]

I think its important to remember that MON is still in the honeymoon phase, and I it's inevitable that one day he will fcuk them over as he has done everyone else.

Who else did he 'fuck over'?

At Leicester he turned Leeds down mid-season. At Celtic he left to look after his very ill wife. At Norwich he was lied to by their crooked chairman and so walked when he realised this.

Contrary to what's said on here, Celtic fans don't hate him - many of them still call him 'St. Martin'.

Dave, what did Gregory ever do with any other club?

Don't know, don't care.

[Sexual Ealing]

I think its important to remember that MON is still in the honeymoon phase, and I it's inevitable that one day he will fcuk them over as he has done everyone else.

Who else did he 'fuck over'?

At Leicester he turned Leeds down mid-season. At Celtic he left to look after his very ill wife. At Norwich he was lied to by their crooked chairman and so walked when he realised this.

Contrary to what's said on here, Celtic fans don't hate him - many of them still call him 'St. Martin'.

Dave, what did Gregory ever do with any other club?

Don't know, don't care.

Fair enough, I did anticipate that. My fault for conflating two separate arguments.

[andyaston]

I liked MOn in his first few years I must admit I was proud he was our manager. However, the football was primative which at first got us results and I was happy with that, hoping that in time he would bring in players with the money he had to evolve our style.

Mon's last year in charge showed his qualities as we got as far as we could, sixth, a semi final and a final but, we were miles away from the top four in quality even, with the money he spent. Rednapp spent far less and his team play great football. MON's teams couldn't hold on to the ball and got found out against teams with a better style of play.

So, when he asked for more money to waste on average players on high wages and Lerner didn't give into him he left us on the eve of the season and we've been shagged since.