Relegation Possibility

[pauliewalnuts]

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Thanks for that Ez. So it could easily be our worst ever season.

I can tell you - just put it on match thread in error- that if we lose today we will have the lowest points after 33 games (35) since the Chinese invented the game in '92.

Looking at wins home or away, shots on, shots off stats they are almost as bad. As for corners for and against, set pieces or headed goals well , something ain't right. Especially given the uncanny comparison with SHA from last year. Can't be coincidence so only one person to blame and there is the proof.

He will set us up today in damage limitation mode again. Midfield will be so deep they will need mining helmets and davy lamps.

When the kids were getting themselves on SSN running up and down Trinity Road with placards, lots of us said we were disappointed but maybe he would not make the same mistakes and do his job with the same fatalism he did at Blues.

Since then he has done *exactly* what we feared he would. Exactly.

The result is that in almost every way we mirror Blues last season, and it is sucking every ounce of enthusiasm out of the club. It has just become all so fucking joyless, austere and miserable. It isn't meant to be like that. It is meant to be fun.

If they stick with this bloke, they are insane. People have enough austerity infused misery in their day to day lives without forking out hundreds of pounds for more of it in their hobby.

There's an obvious argument that we are Villa fans, we stick with the team whether they lose or not, but the situation with McLeish is that very fibre and bone in his body orientates him to this style of football.

This isn't him not getting the performances or results he wants, this is the way he sends his teams out as his previous history shows.

He honestly is the first manager I think I have ever seen who looks like he doesn't *want* to win games. It really is that bad.

The pace at which thus club has gone backwards this year is staggering. He many of us can say, hand on heart, that if we were not Villa fans, we wouldn't want us to get relegated this season?

I've seen plenty of shit Villa sides in 35 odd years watching us, but I genuinely can not remember ever feeling embarrassed of what my club has become until now, and for that, I hate what this man is turning us into, and I pity Lerner for being so clueless as to not realise it is happening..

Pathetic.

[Villanation]

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Thanks for that Ez. So it could easily be our worst ever season.

I can tell you - just put it on match thread in error- that if we lose today we will have the lowest points after 33 games (35) since the Chinese invented the game in '92.

Looking at wins home or away, shots on, shots off stats they are almost as bad. As for corners for and against, set pieces or headed goals well , something ain't right. Especially given the uncanny comparison with SHA from last year. Can't be coincidence so only one person to blame and there is the proof.

He will set us up today in damage limitation mode again. Midfield will be so deep they will need mining helmets and davy lamps.

When the kids were getting themselves on SSN running up and down Trinity Road with placards, lots of us said we were disappointed but maybe he would not make the same mistakes and do his job with the same fatalism he did at Blues.

Since then he has done *exactly* what we feared he would. Exactly.

The result is that in almost every way we mirror Blues last season, and it is sucking every ounce of enthusiasm out of the club. It has just become all so fucking joyless, austere and miserable. It isn't meant to be like that. It is meant to be fun.

If they stick with this bloke, they are insane. People have enough austerity infused misery in their day to day lives without forking out hundreds of pounds for more of it in their hobby.

There's an obvious argument that we are Villa fans, we stick with the team whether they lose or not, but the situation with McLeish is that very fibre and bone in his body orientates him to this style of football.

This isn't him not getting the performances or results he wants, this is the way he sends his teams out as his previous history shows.

He honestly is the first manager I think I have ever seen who looks like he doesn't *want* to win games. It really is that bad.

The pace at which thus club has gone backwards this year is staggering. He many of us can say, hand on heart, that if we were not Villa fans, we wouldn't want us to get relegated this season?

I've seen plenty of shit Villa sides in 35 odd years watching us, but I genuinely can not remember ever feeling embarrassed of what my club has become until now, and for that, I hate what thus man is turning us into, and I pity Lerner for being so clueless as to not realise how things are going.

Pathetic.

All of this....

No idea where we go, yes in the cold light of morning the blood won't be running so high and I will probably think, well OK at least statistically we will stay up, the point is we don't deserve to stay up, we are simply very very poor, we can't carry on like this something has to give and soon.

[RossLeach]

Goal difference doesn't look so great now.

[PaulWinch again]

I

Thanks for that Ez. So it could easily be our worst ever season.

I can tell you - just put it on match thread in error- that if we lose today we will have the lowest points after 33 games (35) since the Chinese invented the game in '92.

Looking at wins home or away, shots on, shots off stats they are almost as bad. As for corners for and against, set pieces or headed goals well , something ain't right. Especially given the uncanny comparison with SHA from last year. Can't be coincidence so only one person to blame and there is the proof.

He will set us up today in damage limitation mode again. Midfield will be so deep they will need mining helmets and davy lamps.

When the kids were getting themselves on SSN running up and down Trinity Road with placards, lots of us said we were disappointed but maybe he would not make the same mistakes and do his job with the same fatalism he did at Blues.

Since then he has done *exactly* what we feared he would. Exactly.

The result is that in almost every way we mirror Blues last season, and it is sucking every ounce of enthusiasm out of the club. It has just become all so fucking joyless, austere and miserable. It isn't meant to be like that. It is meant to be fun.

If they stick with this bloke, they are insane. People have enough austerity infused misery in their day to day lives without forking out hundreds of pounds for more of it in their hobby.

There's an obvious argument that we are Villa fans, we stick with the team whether they lose or not, but the situation with McLeish is that very fibre and bone in his body orientates him to this style of football.

This isn't him not getting the performances or results he wants, this is the way he sends his teams out as his previous history shows.

He honestly is the first manager I think I have ever seen who looks like he doesn't *want* to win games. It really is that bad.

The pace at which thus club has gone backwards this year is staggering. He many of us can say, hand on heart, that if we were not Villa fans, we wouldn't want us to get relegated this season?

I've seen plenty of shit Villa sides in 35 odd years watching us, but I genuinely can not remember ever feeling embarrassed of what my club has become until now, and for that, I hate what this man is turning us into, and I pity Lerner for being so clueless as to not realise it is happening..

Pathetic.

Completely agree. If I weren't a Villa fan, I'd definitely want us down.

[Rigadon]

If this season had another 12 games to go we would be dead certs for relegation.  We are on some kind of weird, nightmarish downward spiral. 

IF Bolton beat us I think we'll go.   

[ez]

As someone on here said, its like a nightmare you can't wake up from.

[PaulWinch again]

1 win in 12. I repeat 1 win in 12. That stat alone should get him the sack.

[VillaAlways]

1 win in 12. I repeat 1 win in 12. That stat alone should get him the sack.

It should but it won't  Randy won't give a shit about today either He will have been expecting it He's probably written a letter of congratulations to Sir Alex

[Des Little]

1 win in 12. I repeat 1 win in 12. That stat alone should get him the sack.

We are a laughing stock.  And worse still, a soft touch.  Yet the powers that be seem perfectly happy to let it continue...what a pitiful situation.

[PeterWithesShin]

1 win in 12. I repeat 1 win in 12. That stat alone should get him the sack.

MON won 1 in 13 league games which ended up at 2 in 19 at one stage in his first season. SGT MK1 won 3 in 22. 

[PaulWinch again]

1 win in 12. I repeat 1 win in 12. That stat alone should get him the sack.

MON won 1 in 13 league games which ended up at 2 in 19 at one stage in his first season. SGT MK1 won 3 in 22. 

Yep but for the former, it never felt so hopeless. Our manager celebrated a draw against Stoke, when we had been winning. The win in this run was also extremely fortunate.

[PeterWithesShin]

1 win in 12. I repeat 1 win in 12. That stat alone should get him the sack.

MON won 1 in 13 league games which ended up at 2 in 19 at one stage in his first season. SGT MK1 won 3 in 22. 

Yep but for the former, it never felt so hopeless. Our manager celebrated a draw against Stoke, when we had been winning. The win in this run was also extremely fortunate.

My point is, the stat alone isn't a sackable offense as we've had worse runs under better managers who turned things round.
What he did against Stoke is a different argument to the run we're on.

He shouldn't be sacked because of the run, but because there is zero evidence he can turn it round.

[PaulWinch again]

1 win in 12. I repeat 1 win in 12. That stat alone should get him the sack.

MON won 1 in 13 league games which ended up at 2 in 19 at one stage in his first season. SGT MK1 won 3 in 22. 

Yep but for the former, it never felt so hopeless. Our manager celebrated a draw against Stoke, when we had been winning. The win in this run was also extremely fortunate.

My point is, the stat alone isn't a sackable offense as we've had worse runs under better managers who turned things round.
What he did against Stoke is a different argument to the run we're on.

He shouldn't be sacked because of the run, but because there is zero evidence he can turn it round.

Fair enough, essentially everything he has done in job is justification for the sack.

[TheSandman]

The result is that in almost every way we mirror Blues last season, and it is sucking every ounce of enthusiasm out of the club. It has just become all so fucking joyless, austere and miserable. It isn't meant to be like that. It is meant to be fun.

I agree with all of what you said Paulie but I think this point is particularly relevant and salient. Over the course of the last ten months, ever piece of positivity I have been able to cling on to has been promptly smashed to smithereens by the actions of the club management. There's no enjoyment, there's no surprises. It's just been predictably shit. Often even shitter than I predicted. I can't even get angry today over what happened. It's what I expected. As you say supporting Villa is meant to be fun, it's a hobby, albeit a costly one. Villa under McLeish is roughly as enjoyable as spending your Saturday afternoon at the dentist receiving root canal work. Only with root canal work you know you only have to suffer it once and you know there is a clearly defined end point. The man is like a vampire, he has sucked all the enjoyment and positivity out of the club.

[Toronto Villa]

Surely even if some of this part of the new order, it was never meant to be this bad? In their worst case scenario we are a mid table team getting our house in order. Surely, even for Faulkner and Randy it was never meant to go shit shaped so soon. They must have expected a decline, but to this extent? No way. I cannot believe they don't talk and say to each other "we didn't buy into this". This is now bleeding on a level that almost deems the patient dead. We are critical and getting worse.