Relegation Possibility

[Concrete John]

Tough times for Owen Coyle.

In the first half of last season he was getting talked up as a star of the future.

Makes you think twice about Lambert and/or Rodgers, doesn't it?

Rogers team looked decidedly shit from the first half I saw last night.

I get the feeling they've hit a Charltom-under-Curbishley style end of the season run.

[Merv]

Yes. I think it was Dave Whelan who managed to spin the whole thing into 'Martinez turns down Villa'. Still, I can't quite make my mind up about Martinez - he certainly gets Wigan playing in the last quarter of the season, but why are they so poor until that stage?

Obviously, I'd swap McLeish for him in a flash. But then I'd do that with all but two or three PL managers. And half the Championship managers.

I do think we'll stay up, but I think it'll be because not all of the four teams directly below us (I won't include Wolves, they're doomed) will get enough points to drop us in it, rather than anything we do. I can see us finishing 17th. Which, even with our downgraded expectations this season, is bordering on criminal.

[Brend'Watkins]

Tough times for Owen Coyle.

In the first half of last season he was getting talked up as a star of the future.

Makes you think twice about Lambert and/or Rodgers, doesn't it?

Rogers team looked decidedly shit from the first half I saw last night.

I get the feeling they've hit a Charltom-under-Curbishley style end of the season run.

That sounds like a North Yorkshire town that you think should be nice but flatters to deceive.

[Villanation]

He only turned down our advances because he'd already agreed to stay at Wigan before we came calling.
Which I respect. If your word means nothing, you mean nothing.

Apparently he is leaving Wigan this summer regardless. I was initially against us appointing him last summer but compared to what we have now I wouldn't hesistate.

My thoughts aswell, couldn't help notice last night he tries to develop a passing game, but he just don't have that much there to do that, could't help thinking that in the same way he was trying to push Moses forward on the break, who has nothing like the pace of Agbonlahor says to me he would have better prospects to work with at Villa.

Think he could do a job.

[ktvillan]

It seems to me that the theory is the teams below will go on top 6 level runs of form and we won't get another point this season.

So yes - I agree we'll go down if that happens.

Yes it seems unlikely but Wigan are 4th and QPR are 7th in the current form table, despite both suffering from dubious/ridiculous decisions at the weekend, which certainly cost Wigan points, and possibly QPR too.

[Concrete John]

He only turned down our advances because he'd already agreed to stay at Wigan before we came calling.
Which I respect. If your word means nothing, you mean nothing.

Apparently he is leaving Wigan this summer regardless. I was initially against us appointing him last summer but compared to what we have now I wouldn't hesistate.

My thoughts aswell, couldn't help notice last night he tries to develop a passing game, but he just don't have that much there to do that, could't help thinking that in the same way he was trying to push Moses forward on the break, who has nothing like the pace of Agbonlahor says to me he would have better prospects to work with at Villa.

Think he could do a job.

Not sure how much is down to Martinez, but they also seem to have a good scouting system as Wigan with players like Palacios, Valencia and N'Zogbia making their names there.  So if we did get him as our manager, I'd hope he'd bring a few of theri scouts with him. 

[pauliewalnuts]

N'Zogbia came from Newcastle, not really that hard to scout.

[Risso]

Tough times for Owen Coyle.

In the first half of last season he was getting talked up as a star of the future.

Makes you think twice about Lambert and/or Rodgers, doesn't it?

Not really, no.  I think they've both built good sides, and work well with their board to get something lasting going.  Coyle was lucky to get a decent honeymood period when he took over at Bolton, but the rot set in their towards the end of last season.

I'd still have either Coyle, Rodgers or Lambert ahead of McVaginapelmet though.

[Risso]

He only turned down our advances because he'd already agreed to stay at Wigan before we came calling.
Which I respect. If your word means nothing, you mean nothing.

Apparently he is leaving Wigan this summer regardless. I was initially against us appointing him last summer but compared to what we have now I wouldn't hesistate.

My thoughts aswell, couldn't help notice last night he tries to develop a passing game, but he just don't have that much there to do that, could't help thinking that in the same way he was trying to push Moses forward on the break, who has nothing like the pace of Agbonlahor says to me he would have better prospects to work with at Villa.

Think he could do a job.

Not sure how much is down to Martinez, but they also seem to have a good scouting system as Wigan with players like Palacios, Valencia and N'Zogbia making their names there.  So if we did get him as our manager, I'd hope he'd bring a few of theri scouts with him. 

Palacios and Valencia were down to Spudface weren't they?

[Concrete John]

N'Zogbia came from Newcastle, not really that hard to scout.

As a poor left back.

I'd also add Rodallega to that, although think people make too much of him, still think he was a good signing for them.

[Concrete John]

Palacios and Valencia were down to Spudface weren't they?

That's why I said I'm not sure how much is down to Martinez and I'd like him to come WITH the Wigan scouts, or at least some idea how to implement something similar at Villa. 

Wigan have unearthed some good players during their PL time.

[villanic]

He only turned down our advances because he'd already agreed to stay at Wigan before we came calling.
Which I respect. If your word means nothing, you mean nothing.

Apparently he is leaving Wigan this summer regardless. I was initially against us appointing him last summer but compared to what we have now I wouldn't hesistate.

My thoughts aswell, couldn't help notice last night he tries to develop a passing game, but he just don't have that much there to do that, could't help thinking that in the same way he was trying to push Moses forward on the break, who has nothing like the pace of Agbonlahor says to me he would have better prospects to work with at Villa.

Think he could do a job.

Not sure how much is down to Martinez, but they also seem to have a good scouting system as Wigan with players like Palacios, Valencia and N'Zogbia making their names there.  So if we did get him as our manager, I'd hope he'd bring a few of theri scouts with him. 

Palacios and Valencia were down to Spudface weren't they?

I rememer reading somewhere that Wenger tipped Palacios and Valencia to Bruce.

[Surrey Villain]

He only turned down our advances because he'd already agreed to stay at Wigan before we came calling.
Which I respect. If your word means nothing, you mean nothing.

Apparently he is leaving Wigan this summer regardless. I was initially against us appointing him last summer but compared to what we have now I wouldn't hesistate.

My thoughts aswell, couldn't help notice last night he tries to develop a passing game, but he just don't have that much there to do that, could't help thinking that in the same way he was trying to push Moses forward on the break, who has nothing like the pace of Agbonlahor says to me he would have better prospects to work with at Villa.

Think he could do a job.

Moses might be slower but he takes the ball with him and doesn't get knocked off it so easily.

[David_Nab]

Moses it a good player really stepped up this season and taken on the Nzog role there.

[ktvillan]

For all the praise heaped on Rodgers, Swansea are only 4 points above us, having played a game more - and we've been absolutely,utterly  shit for most of the season.  The time to go for these guys is when they've proved themselves as more than one season wonders, two or three seasons in the top half of the PL without taking the Pulis all-in wrestling approach.

Edit - I'd still take him over our current foll though, at least the football would be better.