Relegation Possibility

[Risso]

So Greg you think it is impossible for Aston Villa to recruit a decent manager! I dont share your pessimism. Granted with the idiots running the club at the moment it might seem difficult. I think because Martinez turned us down they got scared and hit the panick button. If they thought about it and acted with some level of competance then recruiting Lambert or Rogers is not beyond us. The issue is weteher RL and PF have the gumption to do anything about it.

Martinez turned us down not because he thought we were a nothing club, but because he has a strong bond with Whelan and feels like he owes him something.

Suggesting his opting to stay at Wigan is some proof that we're a toxic brand nobody with half a brain would touch is utterly nonsensical.

I bet if it had been Spurs, Liverpool or Arsenal calling and not Villa that bond to Whelan wouldn't have been as strong.

[hawkeye]

So Greg you think it is impossible for Aston Villa to recruit a decent manager! I dont share your pessimism. Granted with the idiots running the club at the moment it might seem difficult. I think because Martinez turned us down they got scared and hit the panick button. If they thought about it and acted with some level of competance then recruiting Lambert or Rogers is not beyond us. The issue is weteher RL and PF have the gumption to do anything about it.

Martinez turned us down not because he thought we were a nothing club, but because he has a strong bond with Whelan and feels like he owes him something.

Suggesting his opting to stay at Wigan is some proof that we're a toxic brand nobody with half a brain would touch is utterly nonsensical.

Completely agree, after what happened the season before with player mutiny may also have been a factor as far as Martinez. At least that stuff has not been a feature this season. The Villa job is still one that could secure a managers financial future and even promote his football future. Lambert and Rogers know that they have taken thier Clubs about as far as they can go. The only better job that is likely to come up next season is Spurs if Arry fucks off to Engerland.

[pauliewalnuts]

So Greg you think it is impossible for Aston Villa to recruit a decent manager! I dont share your pessimism. Granted with the idiots running the club at the moment it might seem difficult. I think because Martinez turned us down they got scared and hit the panick button. If they thought about it and acted with some level of competance then recruiting Lambert or Rogers is not beyond us. The issue is weteher RL and PF have the gumption to do anything about it.

Martinez turned us down not because he thought we were a nothing club, but because he has a strong bond with Whelan and feels like he owes him something.

Suggesting his opting to stay at Wigan is some proof that we're a toxic brand nobody with half a brain would touch is utterly nonsensical.

I bet if it had been Spurs, Liverpool or Arsenal calling and not Villa that bond to Whelan wouldn't have been as strong.

Of course it wouldn't, but those are better jobs. It doesn't make our job shit, though.

If you take your argument to its logical conclusion, it almost justifies the appointment of McLose - as it'd be "well, that's the best we could get", in which case you'd have no cause to complain.

And I'd have a headache. Which I do have.

[Risso]

Lambert and Rogers know that they have taken thier Clubs about as far as they can go.

They've kept their teams in the Premier League for the first season back.  The second season is usually a lot harder, so I reckon they'll feel that the job has just started.

[pauliewalnuts]

So Greg you think it is impossible for Aston Villa to recruit a decent manager! I dont share your pessimism. Granted with the idiots running the club at the moment it might seem difficult. I think because Martinez turned us down they got scared and hit the panick button. If they thought about it and acted with some level of competance then recruiting Lambert or Rogers is not beyond us. The issue is weteher RL and PF have the gumption to do anything about it.

Martinez turned us down not because he thought we were a nothing club, but because he has a strong bond with Whelan and feels like he owes him something.

Suggesting his opting to stay at Wigan is some proof that we're a toxic brand nobody with half a brain would touch is utterly nonsensical.

Completely agree, after what happened the season before with player mutiny may also have been a factor as far as Martinez. At least that stuff has not been a feature this season. The Villa job is still one that could secure a managers financial future and even promote his football future. Lambert and Rogers know that they have taken thier Clubs about as far as they can go. The only better job that is likely to come up next season is Spurs if Arry fucks off to Engerland.

Absolutely agree re Lambert and Rodgers. Where do those writing us off think they're going to get a chance as the next step? They won't go to the "big" clubs, because they want managers with experience of managing in the Champions League. Maybe Spurs, yes, but who else if not a Villa / Everton / Newcastle style job?

[pauliewalnuts]

Lambert and Rogers know that they have taken thier Clubs about as far as they can go.

They've kept their teams in the Premier League for the first season back.  The second season is usually a lot harder, so I reckon they'll feel that the job has just started.

Wouldn't that make them more likely to make hay while the sun shines right now and move somewhere bigger now, given the chance, than risking it all on a second season?

[hawkeye]

Lambert and Rogers know that they have taken thier Clubs about as far as they can go.

They've kept their teams in the Premier League for the first season back.  The second season is usually a lot harder, so I reckon they'll feel that the job has just started.

These are ambitious people, thier loyalty to thier clubs could be a factor but the successfull managers do what they do to achieve stuff, I dont think it that big a stretch to work out that The Villa provides a bigger stage for success than Swansea or Norwich.

[Risso]

Lambert and Rogers know that they have taken thier Clubs about as far as they can go.

They've kept their teams in the Premier League for the first season back.  The second season is usually a lot harder, so I reckon they'll feel that the job has just started.

These are ambitious people, thier loyalty to thier clubs could be a factor but the successfull managers do what they do to achieve stuff, I dont think it that big a stretch to work out that The Villa provides a bigger stage for success than Swansea or Norwich.

Not as things stand it doesn't.

[pauliewalnuts]

Lambert and Rogers know that they have taken thier Clubs about as far as they can go.

They've kept their teams in the Premier League for the first season back.  The second season is usually a lot harder, so I reckon they'll feel that the job has just started.

These are ambitious people, thier loyalty to thier clubs could be a factor but the successfull managers do what they do to achieve stuff, I dont think it that big a stretch to work out that The Villa provides a bigger stage for success than Swansea or Norwich.

Not as things stand it doesn't.

Oh come on, Risso, you're suggesting that this is not a bigger stage than Swansea or Norwich? It's not just about where we are at the moment, is it?

You might as well argue that Newcastle is a bigger stage than Liverpool by that logic.

[villadelph]

Lambert and Rogers know that they have taken thier Clubs about as far as they can go.

They've kept their teams in the Premier League for the first season back.  The second season is usually a lot harder, so I reckon they'll feel that the job has just started.

These are ambitious people, thier loyalty to thier clubs could be a factor but the successfull managers do what they do to achieve stuff, I dont think it that big a stretch to work out that The Villa provides a bigger stage for success than Swansea or Norwich.

Not as things stand it doesn't.

What makes you think that Hawkeye?

Pending Swansea keep the bulk of their people, the football philosophy there will surely keep them up. The Villa don't have the funds, the personnel, or the players to see success any time soon.

[Greg N'Ash]

So Greg you think it is impossible for Aston Villa to recruit a decent manager! I dont share your pessimism. Granted with the idiots running the club at the moment it might seem difficult. I think because Martinez turned us down they got scared and hit the panick button. If they thought about it and acted with some level of competance then recruiting Lambert or Rogers is not beyond us. The issue is weteher RL and PF have the gumption to do anything about it.

why would they come to us when there's no money and no team? tell me, because i'd really like to believe there was a logical reason why Lambert would go from a small budget but a team with managaeble fans expectations to no money, no team, but anywhere less than higher mid-table isn't good enough. Martinez looked at us and ran a mile becuse he knew it was a hiding to nothing. Whatever relationship he has with Whelan if he thought it was a good gig he would have gone, but it wasn't and isn't

If anyone can tell me why Villa is an attractive proposition to a good employed manager currently then lets have it, and try not to mention the words "big club". step-up", and "bigger resources" because none of them apply anymore.

[Chipsticks]

So Greg you think it is impossible for Aston Villa to recruit a decent manager! I dont share your pessimism. Granted with the idiots running the club at the moment it might seem difficult. I think because Martinez turned us down they got scared and hit the panick button. If they thought about it and acted with some level of competance then recruiting Lambert or Rogers is not beyond us. The issue is weteher RL and PF have the gumption to do anything about it.

why would they come to us when there's no money and no team? tell me, because i'd really like to believe there was a logical reason why Lambert would go from a small budget but a team with managaeble fans expectations to no money, no team, but anywhere less than higher mid-table isn't good enough. Martinez looked at us and ran a mile becuse he knew it was a hiding to nothing. Whatever relationship he has with Whelan if he thought it was a good gig he would have gone, but it wasn't and isn't

If anyone can tell me why Villa is an attractive proposition to a good employed manager currently then lets have it, and try not to mention the words "big club". step-up", and "bigger resources" because none of them apply anymore.

We have pretty damn good Balti Pies.

[pauliewalnuts]

Lambert and Rogers know that they have taken thier Clubs about as far as they can go.

They've kept their teams in the Premier League for the first season back.  The second season is usually a lot harder, so I reckon they'll feel that the job has just started.

These are ambitious people, thier loyalty to thier clubs could be a factor but the successfull managers do what they do to achieve stuff, I dont think it that big a stretch to work out that The Villa provides a bigger stage for success than Swansea or Norwich.

Not as things stand it doesn't.

What makes you think that Hawkeye?

Pending Swansea keep the bulk of their people, the football philosophy there will surely keep them up. The Villa don't have the funds, the personnel, or the players to see success any time soon.

I'd suggest we have all three to a much higher degree than Swansea do.

The difference is Swansea manage their assets well. We do not.

If you looked at Swansea's squad list, and then at ours, they don't even belong within two divisions of us, but as I said, they're well managed, whereas we aren't.

[pauliewalnuts]

If anyone can tell me why Villa is an attractive proposition to a good employed manager currently then lets have it, and try not to mention the words "big club". step-up", and "bigger resources" because none of them apply anymore.

Christ, Greg, I bet you thought O'Neill was a fucking genius, in that case, given the results he got.





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[PeterWithesShin]

So Greg, the only way you are a big club these days is if you spend a shed load of money?