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Offline Mazrim

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #345 on: February 13, 2012, 01:04:30 PM »
Lerner will watch the games whether he's there or not and whatever you think of him will not be impressed at all. I'm not sure what he'll do about it but he won't just accept it. Nor should he.

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #346 on: February 13, 2012, 01:20:43 PM »
I'm past being angry but when we can only be bothered to play football with 5 minutes left on the clock we will lose the game. And yes I know the tactics the team were sent out with were so negative it is untrue!

At least when fans are angry I suppose they are still passionate. Surely the worry the club should have is if fans move from angry into not bothered territory. That's when they stop buying tickets.

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #347 on: February 13, 2012, 01:27:33 PM »
I haven't read the thread so my apologies if this has already been said. I don't think the manager got much wrong tactically. Heskey was a good selection as he plays the defensive covering in front of the full back role better than Nzogbia who hasn't got the discipline to play in any position consistantly enough, and,conversely Mcleish also put him on at the right time when we were trying to to equalise. Ditto Ireland and Albrighton. No one will argue about the dropping of Warnock I assume.

It could be argued that we were unlucky not to get a point with Carlos's miss and Harts save from Bent which was England quality.

I thought AM was tactically spot on, for a match against an obviously better side.

I agree.

I do too.  Where AM went wrong was not bringing Heskey off earlier for N'Zog.  We offered a threat when he was on the pitch.

I thought we defended very well for large parts and looked solid from set pieces up until the goal. 

Add me to the list.

Some games you have to make sure you stay in them before you think about winning them.  We defended as well as we have done all season and had chances. 




That's pretty much exactly what I said to my brother post match, and it's an approach that's yielded positve results for both Everton and Sunderland against them recently.

It's not really want you want to see, but it is reality I'm afraid.
I'm in your camp! :)

I tried convincing the faithful last night, however i quickly retired to watch wild at heart to keep the missus happy!

Offline pedro25

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #348 on: February 13, 2012, 01:57:30 PM »
It's also how we played against Man U, Spurs and Liverpool, where we also lost meekly.  Conversely when N'Zogbia and Ireland both started we beat Chelsea at the bridge 3-1 and performed admirably v Arsenal.  I cannot understand why we didn't follow suit in our approach v City.

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #349 on: February 13, 2012, 01:58:00 PM »
Playing for a draw is a sure fire way to get beaten. I'd rather we had a go at the opposition and get stuffed than suffer the garbage that was served up yesterday. It was a pathetic display against a strangely, out of sorts Man City. The manager's defeatist attitude ensured an easy afternoon for them.

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #350 on: February 13, 2012, 02:05:11 PM »
It's also how we played against Man U, Spurs and Liverpool, where we also lost meekly.  Conversely when N'Zogbia and Ireland both started we beat Chelsea at the bridge 3-1 and performed admirably v Arsenal.  I cannot understand why we didn't follow suit in our approach v City.

Especially when you look at their recent away results.

I'm not saying we should have beaten them. I am saying we should have at least tried. The lack of ambition was really embarassing to watch.

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #351 on: February 13, 2012, 02:12:03 PM »
Players don't like playing for draws. It's not motivating at all. It's basically saying to them "We dont trust you to be able to beat these guys. You are impotent and substandard but try and get something at least." How can we expect players to go out and express themselves after that?

To me, playing for a draw is somthing you might decide during a match, not prior to it. Every game is different. How do you know your players wont be "on it" and your opposition "having a mare" before a ball is kicked?
It is anathema to me in particular. I've always despised defeatist pessimistic attitude.

Whatever our fortunes, Aston Villa should never fear an opponent and certainly not at Villa Park.

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #352 on: February 13, 2012, 02:17:03 PM »
It's all about winning though isn't it and then if not winning not losing. I want Villa to play free flowing attacking footy, who wouldn't, but I want wins more than anything. Which is why I tolerated much of the MON era. I want wins first I don't care how we get them, in fact although I've posted differently above I'd settle for a bag of shite, negitive dross performance at Wigan and a one nil win. In fact I'd settle for that always.

I watched Everton beat Man City recently and they played almost the same as we did yesterday, except they had a deflected winner and held on. No one from Everton complained about the style of the win.

Offline andrew08

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #353 on: February 13, 2012, 02:23:09 PM »
I haven't read the thread so my apologies if this has already been said. I don't think the manager got much wrong tactically. Heskey was a good selection as he plays the defensive covering in front of the full back role better than Nzogbia who hasn't got the discipline to play in any position consistantly enough, and,conversely Mcleish also put him on at the right time when we were trying to to equalise. Ditto Ireland and Albrighton. No one will argue about the dropping of Warnock I assume.

It could be argued that we were unlucky not to get a point with Carlos's miss and Harts save from Bent which was England quality.

I thought AM was tactically spot on, for a match against an obviously better side.

Are you related to AM?


I've just noticed this, lol.

It's bad enough being a Villa fan at the moment let alone Scottish, how very dare you !

Offline Rip Van We Go Again

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #354 on: February 13, 2012, 02:26:14 PM »
The reason he tried those tactics yesterday, and also why he's tried them frequently before, is because of the Carling Cup win of last year.

He seems to ill understand that those sort of tactics will let you down 9 times out of 10.

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #355 on: February 13, 2012, 02:27:30 PM »
I don't want to discourage anyone from trying to be positive about the performance, but the best I can say is: that was yesterday. We have the rest of the season to show that we've learned from it.

Offline Compass

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #356 on: February 13, 2012, 02:27:40 PM »
It's all about winning though isn't it and then if not winning not losing. I want Villa to play free flowing attacking footy, who wouldn't, but I want wins more than anything. Which is why I tolerated much of the MON era. I want wins first I don't care how we get them, in fact although I've posted differently above I'd settle for a bag of shite, negitive dross performance at Wigan and a one nil win. In fact I'd settle for that always.

I watched Everton beat Man City recently and they played almost the same as we did yesterday, except they had a deflected winner and held on. No one from Everton complained about the style of the win.

Everton have a capable defence of holding on, but lack attacking options so it made sense. We on the other hand have a circus defence, but have attacking quality in the team, yet McLeish thought it was a good idea to neglect them and stick with his circus who has let him down time and time again?

He's absoutely stupid and out of his depth in this league because he's just wasting our potenial threat. I wonder what Ireland must have thought sitting on the bench despite being in good form lately, while watching Heskey being played ahead of him against his former club and he gets called a few minutes left in the game where we need to get an equaliser, not a winner, an actual equaliser at home. It must have been soul destroying.

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #357 on: February 13, 2012, 02:30:10 PM »
I don't want to discourage anyone from trying to be positive about the performance, but the best I can say is: that was yesterday. We have the rest of the season to show that we've learned from it.

True enough.

Although yesterday wasn't the first time we've tried that, and he didn't learn anything from that. Oh, and his inteview after the game sounded like he thought it went excellently.

I am trying to work out if two weeks till the next game is a good thing or a bad thing.

Offline MarkM

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #358 on: February 13, 2012, 02:32:55 PM »
I don't want to discourage anyone from trying to be positive about the performance, but the best I can say is: that was yesterday. We have the rest of the season to show that we've learned from it.

Its not 'we' who have to learn from it, its the management

If it was the first time it had happened I would say that maybe they can learn from it, but its not.

How much more evidence do they need before they change things?

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Re: Aston Villa v Manchester City Post-Match Thread
« Reply #359 on: February 13, 2012, 02:35:10 PM »
Sometimes reading threads on this site, I get the feeling that people take pleasure in the Villa losing just to bolster their argument.

So very sad.

 


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