Fans reaction.

[Vanilla]

Isn't it also about potential? If you have a crap season this term, football fans will always think they can improve next season.

The problem Villa fans have at the moment is that the wage argument is still being used by the club as a reason for greater financial frugality. As such player sales/releases are the priority again for the summer. Unfortunately ,as previous summers are anything to go by, any player is fair game when it comes to selling.

[Dave Clark Five]

Most fans I know feel totally betrayed by the club with the appointment of McLeish and are still angry that after renewing their season tickets prior to his arrival they have been subjected to a season of absolute torment at Villa Park.

It's ok though because no-one is going to renew next year so the hostility will be
replaced by virtual silence.

Absolute load of twaddle. No one is going to renew?
The problem is that so many have McLeish on a ducking stool. It things go right it must be players disobeying him. If things go wrong it is his fault.

[Simba]

Three issues that have created the fans negativity imho:

1: Lack of articulated plan, such stating out loud that we are bringing on our youngsters and not paying more expensive imports. I.E 'get behind the lads as we transition into a force for the future' and strive for Europe.

What is the point of shouting your lungs out to 'achieve' mid table. Maybe. Thus apathy. Fans say" lack of stategy, ambition or targeted direction".

2: A lot of fans are facing financial meltdown while the Bannans are getting pissed in a new Range Rover. Ok this is true of other clubs. Difference is we are failing comparitive to expectations and the players are percieved as lazy or just overpayed crap while fans struggle to pay for a ticket/travel.
Fans say: 'why should I pay to support these bastards who don't give a toss'.

Both of these issues are unique to Aston Villa atm. Because we had/have higher (Spurs type) expectations, the fall from grace has been so quick and the appointment of Alex supports the notion of no top level ambition.

3: We know this team can play and in recent times they have proven it. They can play exciting, fast attacking footy and the crowd reward them.  So obviously there is frustration and anger when we are defensive, slow, rubbish.

The supporters mood is angry and conversely apathetic. The support is up and down like a bride grooms bum because our performances are.

[nigel]

Why are so many supporters now so hostile towards their own club and players?.

Back in my day you had to get four different shitty British Rail trains to get to a mud heap at Rochdale, get treated like shit by the Police, eat cold nasty pies at half time surrounded by the smell of woodbines, have a piss up against some corrugated iron fence, then after watching 22 blokes kick lumps out of each other and we had lost 1-0 hope to be back in Birmingham in time so you could get an Argus to find out any other results.....If you were lucky !

Luxury.
When I were a lad.............................................................................. 

[DBTW]

Why are so many supporters now so hostile towards their own club and players?.

I will tell you why. Because the younger supporters ( I mean anybody under 40), just like the players, are a bunch of over indulged spoilt brats who think they have an entitlement to everything, and they are entitled to it right now !
With your mobile phones and i pads and whatever, you all turn up at the game in your air conditioned cars and have your nice comfy seats. You can watch live football under the stand on colour TVs before the game, get all the interviews and team info instantly. The pitches are all pristeen without a blade of grass out of place, and you see tippy tappy pretty football because nobody can tackle anymore without receiving a 4 game ban. At half time, you can even buy healthy food if you want and consume it in a smoke free atmosphere and relieve yourself in clean toilets.

Back in my day you had to get four different shitty British Rail trains to get to a mud heap at Rochdale, get treated like shit by the Police, eat cold nasty pies at half time surrounded by the smell of woodbines, have a piss up against some corrugated iron fence, then after watching 22 blokes kick lumps out of each other and we had lost 1-0 hope to be back in Birmingham in time so you could get an Argus to find out any other results.....If you were lucky !

Your all soft !   

So me, being 33 years old, gets put into that bracket?

To be honest, I have taken a bit of offence to that. I'm obviously not 'lucky' enough that my parents didnt decide to make me until your good fan/bad fan cut off date of 1972 but having only missed a handful of home and away games over the past 28 years I feel I can argue against you.

I still do get inter connecting trains, the woodbines are no longer readily available, nor is the Argus, yet football has moved on most unlike your attitude.

I think the point you are trying to get accross yet struggling to do so, again, this might be down to age, is that modern day fans are not as solid as of old, a point which I actually agree on.

In my opinion, it started when MON was bought in as manager, and relative success came quickly. A huge bandwagon was jumped upon and ridden happily for a while. Now things aren't so good, and the time has come to stick together, the people who saw a glimmer of fast glory are jumping off said bandwagon as quickly as they got on.

As was, will happen again, with the core of supporters remaining with the club they love, with attendances dropping until once again we see improvement, then just like Arnold Schwarzenegger, they will be back.

I'm not Morethan Freeman, I'm Dave Bytheway, aged 33 (apparent i pod generation) from Sedgley.

I wasn't there in the third division, or a in the c crew, I blame my parents for being that little bit too young.

[dave.woodhall]

Why are so many supporters now so hostile towards their own club and players?.

I will tell you why. Because the younger supporters ( I mean anybody under 40), just like the players, are a bunch of over indulged spoilt brats who think they have an entitlement to everything, and they are entitled to it right now !
With your mobile phones and i pads and whatever, you all turn up at the game in your air conditioned cars and have your nice comfy seats. You can watch live football under the stand on colour TVs before the game, get all the interviews and team info instantly. The pitches are all pristeen without a blade of grass out of place, and you see tippy tappy pretty football because nobody can tackle anymore without receiving a 4 game ban. At half time, you can even buy healthy food if you want and consume it in a smoke free atmosphere and relieve yourself in clean toilets.

Back in my day you had to get four different shitty British Rail trains to get to a mud heap at Rochdale, get treated like shit by the Police, eat cold nasty pies at half time surrounded by the smell of woodbines, have a piss up against some corrugated iron fence, then after watching 22 blokes kick lumps out of each other and we had lost 1-0 hope to be back in Birmingham in time so you could get an Argus to find out any other results.....If you were lucky !

Your all soft !   

So me, being 33 years old, gets put into that bracket?

To be honest, I have taken a bit of offence to that. I'm obviously not 'lucky' enough that my parents didnt decide to make me until your good fan/bad fan cut off date of 1972 but having only missed a handful of home and away games over the past 28 years I feel I can argue against you.

I still do get inter connecting trains, the woodbines are no longer readily available, nor is the Argus, yet football has moved on most unlike your attitude.

I think the point you are trying to get accross yet struggling to do so, again, this might be down to age, is that modern day fans are not as solid as of old, a point which I actually agree on.

In my opinion, it started when MON was bought in as manager, and relative success came quickly. A huge bandwagon was jumped upon and ridden happily for a while. Now things aren't so good, and the time has come to stick together, the people who saw a glimmer of fast glory are jumping off said bandwagon as quickly as they got on.

As was, will happen again, with the core of supporters remaining with the club they love, with attendances dropping until once again we see improvement, then just like Arnold Schwarzenegger, they will be back.

I'm not Morethan Freeman, I'm Dave Bytheway, aged 33 (apparent i pod generation) from Sedgley.

I wasn't there in the third division, or a in the c crew, I blame my parents for being that little bit too young.

Bloody youngsters, always moaning.

[Percy McCarthy]

Too young for the C-Crew Dave? You could always apply to the Hardcore.

[Simba]

Oh dear. I travelled to bloody Rochdale for that game.

It's alright for you young'uns we couldn't even put a scarf around our necks to keep warm. Had to wrap it around our wrists or dangle it from our belts. As for snoods?!

Mind you we could always get a nice hot cuppa bovril.      You were luckeh - used to dreeeeem of a cuppa Bovril.

[MarkM]

Its like that saying, "Its better to have loved and lost then never to have loved at all!"

In terms of Villa at the moment, under Ellis we had some good times and some horrible times, but we knew we were on a roller coaster and bad times would follow the good at some stage [usually the next season, or in JG's time after Christmas]

When MON was appointed and RL came in it seamed that things would get put on an even keel, and that we could move back into the higher echelons of football.

We had some good players, a manager that had the potential to get us into the CL and an owner that was with us all the way.

Then suddenly the rug was pulled from under us, MON did his impression of Hudini RL made a real hash of appointing his replacement, the money taps were turned off, RL made another hash of appointing a manager and we sell off our better creative players.

Followed by some of the most dire performances I have seen since Graham Turner and King Billy.

We have lost our way, our vision and our future does not look like anything other that mid table mediocracy.

And some wonder why the atmosphere around VP is not good

[john e]

Why are so many supporters now so hostile towards their own club and players?.

I will tell you why. Because the younger supporters ( I mean anybody under 40), just like the players, are a bunch of over indulged spoilt brats who think they have an entitlement to everything, and they are entitled to it right now !
With your mobile phones and i pads and whatever, you all turn up at the game in your air conditioned cars and have your nice comfy seats. You can watch live football under the stand on colour TVs before the game, get all the interviews and team info instantly. The pitches are all pristeen without a blade of grass out of place, and you see tippy tappy pretty football because nobody can tackle anymore without receiving a 4 game ban. At half time, you can even buy healthy food if you want and consume it in a smoke free atmosphere and relieve yourself in clean toilets.

Back in my day you had to get four different shitty British Rail trains to get to a mud heap at Rochdale, get treated like shit by the Police, eat cold nasty pies at half time surrounded by the smell of woodbines, have a piss up against some corrugated iron fence, then after watching 22 blokes kick lumps out of each other and we had lost 1-0 hope to be back in Birmingham in time so you could get an Argus to find out any other results.....If you were lucky !

Your all soft !   

So me, being 33 years old, gets put into that bracket?

To be honest, I have taken a bit of offence to that. I'm obviously not 'lucky' enough that my parents didnt decide to make me until your good fan/bad fan cut off date of 1972 but having only missed a handful of home and away games over the past 28 years I feel I can argue against you.

I still do get inter connecting trains, the woodbines are no longer readily available, nor is the Argus, yet football has moved on most unlike your attitude.

I think the point you are trying to get accross yet struggling to do so, again, this might be down to age, is that modern day fans are not as solid as of old, a point which I actually agree on.

In my opinion, it started when MON was bought in as manager, and relative success came quickly. A huge bandwagon was jumped upon and ridden happily for a while. Now things aren't so good, and the time has come to stick together, the people who saw a glimmer of fast glory are jumping off said bandwagon as quickly as they got on.

As was, will happen again, with the core of supporters remaining with the club they love, with attendances dropping until once again we see improvement, then just like Arnold Schwarzenegger, they will be back.

I'm not Morethan Freeman, I'm Dave Bytheway, aged 33 (apparent i pod generation) from Sedgley.

I wasn't there in the third division, or a in the c crew, I blame my parents for being that little bit too young.

it was no hard slog in the 'olden' days beleive me, youngsters today have it much worse.

my lad is 23, Villa won a league cup when he was 7 which he hardly remembers, apart from that nothing,
 when i was his age i had seen my team win a couple of league cups, the league and the european cup,

i looked at his face at Arsenal last week yet another massive disapointment to go with the others down the years, even under MON when we finaly went to Wembley twice, it still ended in defeat.

anyone that thinks the youngsters have had easy being  Villa fans over the last 20 years is talking absolute cobblers,
 its been shit mostly

[DBTW]

Too young for the C-Crew Dave? You could always apply to the Hardcore.

Youth Youth

[Percy McCarthy]

Even the Youth are old now.

[preston28]

I was talking to 6 lads earlier in the pub they season ticket holders in trinity road they all said they knocking it on the head next season, I think there will be a few that do

I think there will be a few who don't renew their season ticket  and that will be largely due to two things:
1. The ecomony
2. The football.

However there will still be a lot who do renew (despite rising unemployment) as they are addicted to the Villa and new seasons bring new hopes and aspirations. I still remember the sub 20K crowds of the 80's - we've a long way to go before we get there!!

[Lee]

Why are so many supporters now so hostile towards their own club and players?.

I will tell you why. Because the younger supporters ( I mean anybody under 40), just like the players, are a bunch of over indulged spoilt brats who think they have an entitlement to everything, and they are entitled to it right now !
With your mobile phones and i pads and whatever, you all turn up at the game in your air conditioned cars and have your nice comfy seats. You can watch live football under the stand on colour TVs before the game, get all the interviews and team info instantly. The pitches are all pristeen without a blade of grass out of place, and you see tippy tappy pretty football because nobody can tackle anymore without receiving a 4 game ban. At half time, you can even buy healthy food if you want and consume it in a smoke free atmosphere and relieve yourself in clean toilets.

Back in my day you had to get four different shitty British Rail trains to get to a mud heap at Rochdale, get treated like shit by the Police, eat cold nasty pies at half time surrounded by the smell of woodbines, have a piss up against some corrugated iron fence, then after watching 22 blokes kick lumps out of each other and we had lost 1-0 hope to be back in Birmingham in time so you could get an Argus to find out any other results.....If you were lucky !

Your all soft !   

Agreed .. Modern Football is Rubbish!

[DBTW]

Why are so many supporters now so hostile towards their own club and players?.

I will tell you why. Because the younger supporters ( I mean anybody under 40), just like the players, are a bunch of over indulged spoilt brats who think they have an entitlement to everything, and they are entitled to it right now !
With your mobile phones and i pads and whatever, you all turn up at the game in your air conditioned cars and have your nice comfy seats. You can watch live football under the stand on colour TVs before the game, get all the interviews and team info instantly. The pitches are all pristeen without a blade of grass out of place, and you see tippy tappy pretty football because nobody can tackle anymore without receiving a 4 game ban. At half time, you can even buy healthy food if you want and consume it in a smoke free atmosphere and relieve yourself in clean toilets.

Back in my day you had to get four different shitty British Rail trains to get to a mud heap at Rochdale, get treated like shit by the Police, eat cold nasty pies at half time surrounded by the smell of woodbines, have a piss up against some corrugated iron fence, then after watching 22 blokes kick lumps out of each other and we had lost 1-0 hope to be back in Birmingham in time so you could get an Argus to find out any other results.....If you were lucky !

Your all soft !   

Agreed .. Modern Football is Rubbish!

It's not may fault though, well, not all of it.