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[hipkiss92]

Why are so many supporters now so hostile towards their own club and players?.

I will tell you why. Because the younger supporters ( I mean anybody under 40), just like the players, are a bunch of over indulged spoilt brats who think they have an entitlement to everything, and they are entitled to it right now !
With your mobile phones and i pads and whatever, you all turn up at the game in your air conditioned cars and have your nice comfy seats. You can watch live football under the stand on colour TVs before the game, get all the interviews and team info instantly. The pitches are all pristeen without a blade of grass out of place, and you see tippy tappy pretty football because nobody can tackle anymore without receiving a 4 game ban. At half time, you can even buy healthy food if you want and consume it in a smoke free atmosphere and relieve yourself in clean toilets.

Back in my day you had to get four different shitty British Rail trains to get to a mud heap at Rochdale, get treated like shit by the Police, eat cold nasty pies at half time surrounded by the smell of woodbines, have a piss up against some corrugated iron fence, then after watching 22 blokes kick lumps out of each other and we had lost 1-0 hope to be back in Birmingham in time so you could get an Argus to find out any other results.....If you were lucky !

Your all soft !   

I apologise for being born in 1992 when football started to get shit.

[pauliewalnuts]

I had a phone call from the club on Friday night, carrying out a survey of season ticket holders.

There was a lot of stuff about what they could do to make the ST more attractive etc etc, but then it got down to whether i was likely to renew next year.

I said that with my Mrs getting made redundant in the public sector gore-fest, times would be hard for us, and although I could find the money for the ST if i went without other things, I was finding it hard to see why I should go without the other things, the lack of ambition was just making it so uninspiring.

The tone I got from the girl calling was that they were hearing a lot of that. I said I felt sorry for whoever it was tasked with drumming up enthusiasm, as I get exactly the same sort of thing from the people i speak to who sit around me.

It really is a shame, there's an increasing sinking kind of feeling at exactly the worst time to have it - when times are hard and people need more convincing.

[villadelph]

yep. the problems could be sorted out in a jiffy if the cash was there.  If AM got the boot, whoever took over will have the same problem he and GH had - shit, lazy players on top whack

That-  and an appointment as provocative as McLeish-  is a big part of the reason for the atmosphere being sour at VP these days. 

To look at certain players just going through the motions (usually the better paid ones too)  just exacerbates things further. 

Dunno. I reckon most people have got over the initial shock and disappointment about AM bar the mad Dazzyg's of this world. Some of the earlier results (and the lack of shots even off target) seems to confirm my suspicions, but we have proved we can play a bit at times under AM. Its just the bloody personnel reverting to type. Fucking hoof ball again

Perhaps.

But this far into his first season with us, I'd have hoped he'd have had more fans onside by now.   You only really get that with results and performances, in both departments we have been under par this campaign.

He wasn't a popular appointment at the time (to put it mildly)  and if you gave most supporters a straight choice -  McLeish yes or no-  I think the results would still mirror his popularity back in June. Even if there are those who -like me-   feel that results haven't been poor enough (taken as a whole)  to warrant the sack. 

I agree he's on a knife edge. All it takes is the majority of the wait and see's to join up with the ABAM mob and i can't see how he could survive. He got it wrong big time today with his substitutions. whether that was due to injuries/abuse from a player or just calling it wrong i'm not sure,but he's back in trouble if he was ever out of it. The games after Man City will probably decide his fate - If we fail against wigan, bolton and blackburn we'll be in the thick of it

I think this is a realization that is going to hit us hard after ManCity. We need to win three games in a row. We need to get all the points we can against the few clubs below us. You just never know, I didn't think sha were going down last year. We're obviously a much different team, but we need the results to prove it.


2011/2012 Aston Villa                    24   6   10   8   -4   28
2010/2011 Birmingham Cxty     24      5    12    7    -9    27

[pauliewalnuts]

Why are so many supporters now so hostile towards their own club and players?.

I will tell you why. Because the younger supporters ( I mean anybody under 40), just like the players, are a bunch of over indulged spoilt brats who think they have an entitlement to everything, and they are entitled to it right now !
With your mobile phones and i pads and whatever, you all turn up at the game in your air conditioned cars and have your nice comfy seats. You can watch live football under the stand on colour TVs before the game, get all the interviews and team info instantly. The pitches are all pristeen without a blade of grass out of place, and you see tippy tappy pretty football because nobody can tackle anymore without receiving a 4 game ban. At half time, you can even buy healthy food if you want and consume it in a smoke free atmosphere and relieve yourself in clean toilets.

Back in my day you had to get four different shitty British Rail trains to get to a mud heap at Rochdale, get treated like shit by the Police, eat cold nasty pies at half time surrounded by the smell of woodbines, have a piss up against some corrugated iron fence, then after watching 22 blokes kick lumps out of each other and we had lost 1-0 hope to be back in Birmingham in time so you could get an Argus to find out any other results.....If you were lucky !

Your all soft !   

I apologise for being born in 1992 when football started to get shit.

If we're honest about it, football in the 80s wasn't all that either.

For every tale of bring back standing, and the swirling mass of humanity which was the Holte, there were far more occasions when you stood with acres of empty space around you, or, when there was a crowd, wade through piss soaked terraces to watch the match.

I think us who remember it from back then are probably more than a bit guilty of romanticising things.

[Greg N'Ash]

I agree he's on a knife edge. All it takes is the majority of the wait and see's to join up with the ABAM mob and i can't see how he could survive. He got it wrong big time today with his substitutions. whether that was due to injuries/abuse from a player or just calling it wrong i'm not sure,but he's back in trouble if he was ever out of it. The games after Man City will probably decide his fate - If we fail against wigan, bolton and blackburn we'll be in the thick of it

I don't think he is - at least not with the owner.

Lerner has really bet the house on this appointment, big time. He insisted he was right on this appontment, and that this was the only man they really wanted, in the summer, contrary to all the fan unrest.

He is going to look foolish if he sacks AM any time now.

I genuinely would not be remotely surprised if, having got us relegated, he still didn't get the bullet.

I don't agree Paulie. If there's one thing Lerner has shown recently is his obsession with cutting costs. Relegation would throw that out the window. Look foolish or lose 20m? I reckon he'll take foolish personally

I'm talking about a situation where it had already happened - we were relegated, not we were going to be relegated.

Unfortunately, he seems to have brought his inability to make a decent appointment over from the other side of the Atlantic.

I really don't think he'd let it get to that stage . there was hints of that with GH and he acted by buying Bent. As much as i wanted GH to get a chance of another season we haven't approached the dire straits of last season yet. Its iffy no doubt, but if we lost to 2 out of wigan, blackburn or bolton after probably getting the expected pummelling at Citeh i think he would act. There's simply too much money at stake

[Chipsticks]

I had a phone call from the club on Friday night, carrying out a survey of season ticket holders.

There was a lot of stuff about what they could do to make the ST more attractive etc etc, but then it got down to whether i was likely to renew next year.

I said that with my Mrs getting made redundant in the public sector gore-fest, times would be hard for us, and although I could find the money for the ST if i went without other things, I was finding it hard to see why I should go without the other things, the lack of ambition was just making it so uninspiring.

The tone I got from the girl calling was that they were hearing a lot of that. I said I felt sorry for whoever it was tasked with drumming up enthusiasm, as I get exactly the same sort of thing from the people i speak to who sit around me.

It really is a shame, there's an increasing sinking kind of feeling at exactly the worst time to have it - when times are hard and people need more convincing.

What I will say is that I find it very positive to know that the club are acknowledging the problem and trying to overcome it. I reckon season tickets will be very cheap next season, even though I think we'll have a new manager by then.

[pauliewalnuts]

I really don't think he'd let it get to that stage . there was hints of that with GH and he acted by buying Bent. As much as i wanted GH to get a chance of another season we haven't approached the dire straits of last season yet. Its iffy no doubt, but if we lost to 2 out of wigan, blackburn or wigan after probably getting the expected pummelling at Citeh i think he would act. There's simply too much money at stake

Not too sure about that, Greg, I think some performances (Spurs, Liverpool off the top of the head) have exceeded the low points of last year. And they come on top of the damage done last year, too.

I just can't see him pulling the trigger on McLeish. The worst thing is that I think his loss of interest is so complete that he's become detached from the whole process and doesn't really realise just how solidly things are going down the toilet.

[He wears a magic hat]

All this just as i can just about see something in the team that makes me feel slightly more optimistic on a match day

[pauliewalnuts]

I had a phone call from the club on Friday night, carrying out a survey of season ticket holders.

There was a lot of stuff about what they could do to make the ST more attractive etc etc, but then it got down to whether i was likely to renew next year.

I said that with my Mrs getting made redundant in the public sector gore-fest, times would be hard for us, and although I could find the money for the ST if i went without other things, I was finding it hard to see why I should go without the other things, the lack of ambition was just making it so uninspiring.

The tone I got from the girl calling was that they were hearing a lot of that. I said I felt sorry for whoever it was tasked with drumming up enthusiasm, as I get exactly the same sort of thing from the people i speak to who sit around me.

It really is a shame, there's an increasing sinking kind of feeling at exactly the worst time to have it - when times are hard and people need more convincing.

What I will say is that I find it very positive to know that the club are acknowledging the problem and trying to overcome it. I reckon season tickets will be very cheap next season, even though I think we'll have a new manager by then.

I would bet everything I own that season tickets will not be cheaper next year than they were this year.

I reckon that's not even on the agenda. That they will at least be the same price is a given, I reckon.

[Phil from the upper holte]

Thing is I don't give a fuck about 10% off at the shop or villa tv if I was to get one all I care about is being entertained and not keep selling our best players every year

[Greg N'Ash]

yep. the problems could be sorted out in a jiffy if the cash was there.  If AM got the boot, whoever took over will have the same problem he and GH had - shit, lazy players on top whack

That-  and an appointment as provocative as McLeish-  is a big part of the reason for the atmosphere being sour at VP these days. 

To look at certain players just going through the motions (usually the better paid ones too)  just exacerbates things further. 

Dunno. I reckon most people have got over the initial shock and disappointment about AM bar the mad Dazzyg's of this world. Some of the earlier results (and the lack of shots even off target) seems to confirm my suspicions, but we have proved we can play a bit at times under AM. Its just the bloody personnel reverting to type. Fucking hoof ball again

Perhaps.

But this far into his first season with us, I'd have hoped he'd have had more fans onside by now.   You only really get that with results and performances, in both departments we have been under par this campaign.

He wasn't a popular appointment at the time (to put it mildly)  and if you gave most supporters a straight choice -  McLeish yes or no-  I think the results would still mirror his popularity back in June. Even if there are those who -like me-   feel that results haven't been poor enough (taken as a whole)  to warrant the sack. 

I agree he's on a knife edge. All it takes is the majority of the wait and see's to join up with the ABAM mob and i can't see how he could survive. He got it wrong big time today with his substitutions. whether that was due to injuries/abuse from a player or just calling it wrong i'm not sure,but he's back in trouble if he was ever out of it. The games after Man City will probably decide his fate - If we fail against wigan, bolton and blackburn we'll be in the thick of it

I think this is a realization that is going to hit us hard after ManCity. We need to win three games in a row. We need to get all the points we can against the few clubs below us. You just never know, I didn't think sha were going down last year. We're obviously a much different team, but we need the results to prove it.


2011/2012 Aston Villa                    24   6   10   8   -4   28
2010/2011 Birmingham Cxty     24      5    12    7    -9    27

well i don't believe any of that mumbo jumbo. its the sort of shite that appears on the AM out site, and at the end of the day blose's squad were stretched by injuries and a cup run. And while injuries are possible, a cup run isn't )

[pauliewalnuts]

Thing is I don't give a fuck about 10% off at the shop or villa tv if I was to get one all I care about is being entertained and not keep selling our best players every year

Yes, I said words to that effect.

I don't buy food or drink in the ground, and I used the 10 percent discount once or twice, but that was nowhere near being a factor in persuading me to renew, it is entirely about the football.

[Greg N'Ash]

I really don't think he'd let it get to that stage . there was hints of that with GH and he acted by buying Bent. As much as i wanted GH to get a chance of another season we haven't approached the dire straits of last season yet. Its iffy no doubt, but if we lost to 2 out of wigan, blackburn or wigan after probably getting the expected pummelling at Citeh i think he would act. There's simply too much money at stake

Not too sure about that, Greg, I think some performances (Spurs, Liverpool off the top of the head) have exceeded the low points of last year. And they come on top of the damage done last year, too.

I just can't see him pulling the trigger on McLeish. The worst thing is that I think his loss of interest is so complete that he's become detached from the whole process and doesn't really realise just how solidly things are going down the toilet.

I think you need to sleep on today's result paulie. when I'm telling you to cheer up somethings not right with the world

[pauliewalnuts]

Just telling it as I see it, Greg.

I'm actually far less bothered about it this year than I was last year, to be honest. Unfortunately, real life is proving to be far more worrisome than football ever is.

[Greg N'Ash]

Just telling it as I see it, Greg.

I'm actually far less bothered about it this year than I was last year, to be honest. Unfortunately, real life is proving to be far more worrisome than football ever is.

ah well, things are always darkest before the dawn. Keep yer chin up mucker.