1989-90 season

[hipkiss92]

Don't know if anyone can answer this but, when Liverpool were still banned after Heysel for the 90-91 European season,  why didn't we, as runners-up the year before, receive their European Cup place?

[Jon Crofts]

Because all English clubs were banned for 5 years following Heysel.

[hipkiss92]

Because all English clubs were banned for 5 years following Heysel.

English clubs were back in for 90-91, which is why we were in the UEFA Cup, but Liverpool had a six year ban so couldn't keep their European Cup place. Why didn't we receive it as runners-up?

[preston28]

Heysel was 1985 and UEFA banned all English clubs from Europe for 5 years?

[Exeter 77]

UEFA wouldn't admit non-champions to the European Cup (when they cared about such things) and we weren't champions.

[Exeter 77]

Because all English clubs were banned for 5 years following Heysel.

English clubs were back in for 90-91, which is why we were in the UEFA Cup, but Liverpool had a six year ban so couldn't keep their European Cup place. Why didn't we receive it as runners-up?

Liverpool originally had a further 3 year ban after English clubs were re-admitted but this was reduced to one (which they had then served) in the summer of 1991.

[Ian.]

We had two proper competitions then.

[preston28]

Heysel was 1985 and UEFA banned all English clubs from Europe for 5 years?

Because only the winner of the league got into Europe and UEFA didn't allow it to be passed down to the runner up?

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

Why should we have been allowed into a competition that was for reigning champions only and the holders ?
Following Heysel in 1985, all English clubs were banned from Europe for 5 years and Liverpool for 6 years. At the end of the ban, as runners up we went into the Uefa Cup as the only English club (instead of the usual 4)  and FA Cup winners Man Utd were in the Cup winners Cup which they won.

I don't remember any great debate or fuss at the time to try and get us in the European Cup. You have to also appreciate at that time English clubs and their fans were seen as the bad boys of Europe, culminating in the Heysel tragedy. It was just good to get some representation back in there and has taken many many more years to restore our image after many other shameful events over the years.     

[hawkeye]

English clubs were banned Everton won the league after and were not allowed to play

[andyaston]

I think it was unfortunate for Everton because they may of won it.

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

I think it was unfortunate for Everton because they may of won it.

However, IMO, the ban on all English clubs at the time was right.

[cdbearsfan]

Heysel was 1985 and UEFA banned all English clubs from Europe for 5 years?

Because only the winner of the league got into Europe and UEFA didn't allow it to be passed down to the runner up?

Although when Marseille were banned they did offer the European Cup place to the French runner-up.

Conclusion? UEFA are anti-Villa bastards who also switched the legs around against Inter so we'd have the disadvantage of playing away second.

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

Heysel was 1985 and UEFA banned all English clubs from Europe for 5 years?

Because only the winner of the league got into Europe and UEFA didn't allow it to be passed down to the runner up?

Although when Marseille were banned they did offer the European Cup place to the French runner-up.

Conclusion? UEFA are anti-Villa bastards who also switched the legs around against Inter so we'd have the disadvantage of playing away second.

Marseille were banned from a competition called the European Champions League, we were not being allowed into a competition called the European Cup. The existing competition is for clubs finishing as low as 4th in their domestic league, the competiton we won in 1982 was strictly and exclusively for Champions only, in other words every single team you came up against was the very best their country could offer.
If the the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City do ever eventually win this tournament and claim parity with us - they will still not be able to turn round and say they had to beat reigning Champions in every single round.

[cdbearsfan]

They didn't adopt the rule about non-Champions being allowed in it till a few years after the Marseille ban. Agree with the rest of the post.