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Offline spangley1812

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #945 on: July 22, 2012, 05:37:11 PM »
Time for KP to run along and play 20/20 which is all he really wants to do any way. We need to blood new batsmen like James Taylor, Nick Compton and Johnny Bairstow 

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #946 on: July 22, 2012, 05:45:43 PM »
I'm beginning to think so too, Pietersen can win a game on his own when he wants to but those days seem to be in the past, time to drop him and Bopara and blood the next generation of batsmen.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #947 on: July 22, 2012, 05:47:07 PM »
I knew when KP went in he'd fail, he cannot dig in at all and it's completely irresponsible.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #948 on: July 22, 2012, 05:51:30 PM »
Finn has to come in. He should have been in for this test. Bresnan is a good cricketer, but Finn is the better bowler.

Either way, I just can't see England turning this level of performance around enough to win either the second or the third test. Some of the players need to have a good look at themselves. We haven't played good test cricket since last summer. Laurels appear to have been rested on.

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« Reply #949 on: July 22, 2012, 05:53:34 PM »
Finn has to come in. He should have been in for this test. Bresnan is a good cricketer, but Finn is the better bowler.

Either way, I just can't see England turning this level of performance around enough to win either the second or the third test. Some of the players need to have a good look at themselves. We haven't played good test cricket since last summer. Laurels appear to have been rested on.

I think your spot on mate and Swann seriously has to look at his recent test performances and Bopara has to go as well

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #950 on: July 22, 2012, 05:54:56 PM »
Yep last summer was the last time we were genuinely good.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #951 on: July 22, 2012, 06:11:25 PM »
After the first day this has been utterly embarrassing.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #952 on: July 22, 2012, 06:16:31 PM »
After the first day this has been utterly embarrassing.

Impossible to disagree with that

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #953 on: July 22, 2012, 08:33:24 PM »
There was some stat about England's opponents being 700-odd for 3 (or something like that) in the last few innings

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #954 on: July 22, 2012, 08:48:30 PM »
If it was a 5 match series (as it should be) then I'd be  tempted to let Amla have a crack at the world record.
Nevertheless a magnificent batting display from him. Hashim Amla joins the world's great batters list.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #955 on: July 22, 2012, 09:08:04 PM »
It's appalling that it's not a 5 match series as well.

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #956 on: July 22, 2012, 09:44:03 PM »
Firstly, SA for a very good side.  They've got that balance where everyone in their team is the right age with the right level of experience, world class batters and bowlers and well lead.  So while we've dined out on the likes of Australia, India and the West Indies for the last few years these were always the next best side.

It's the classic Test Cricketing scenario though.  Put a side in the field for 3 days and they are knackered.  Put so many runs on the board that we can bowl aggressively and set ultra attacking fields.  Had the roles been reversed it'd be us polishing off them make no mistake.  That last session was always going to be the toughest and we cracked, just like most teams would and invariably do in those positions.

We'll probably now lose by an innings.  I'm not sure Finn would have made much difference as it was a slow pitch but Swann was disappointing.  England have done less with the ball in 3 days than i've seen for a decade but i'm not panicking. 

So far on this page alone people have called for Bresnan, Swann, Pietersen and Bopara to get dropped. It aint gonna happen and nor should it.  We're not Australia 1994-2007 but we're also not England 1989-1997 either.  Their world class performers have all stood up in this match, as world class performers have a tendency to do from time to time, and good luck to them.  Now we need to back ours to do the same in the next. 


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« Reply #957 on: July 22, 2012, 09:55:43 PM »
Firstly, SA for a very good side.  They've got that balance where everyone in their team is the right age with the right level of experience, world class batters and bowlers and well lead.  So while we've dined out on the likes of Australia, India and the West Indies for the last few years these were always the next best side.

It's the classic Test Cricketing scenario though.  Put a side in the field for 3 days and they are knackered.  Put so many runs on the board that we can bowl aggressively and set ultra attacking fields.  Had the roles been reversed it'd be us polishing off them make no mistake.  That last session was always going to be the toughest and we cracked, just like most teams would and invariably do in those positions.

We'll probably now lose by an innings.  I'm not sure Finn would have made much difference as it was a slow pitch but Swann was disappointing.  England have done less with the ball in 3 days than i've seen for a decade but i'm not panicking. 

So far on this page alone people have called for Bresnan, Swann, Pietersen and Bopara to get dropped. It aint gonna happen and nor should it.  We're not Australia 1994-2007 but we're also not England 1989-1997 either.  Their world class performers have all stood up in this match, as world class performers have a tendency to do from time to time, and good luck to them.  Now we need to back ours to do the same in the next. 


As I am amongst those for calling for some of the players to be dropped I question you calling Bresnan/Bopara "world class" and I would drop them, KP and Swann deserve another chance but as has been stated above we havnt played well in Test Matches for ages and the team need a "wake up call" and lets hope this match gives it to them 

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #958 on: July 22, 2012, 10:05:02 PM »
Firstly, SA for a very good side.  They've got that balance where everyone in their team is the right age with the right level of experience, world class batters and bowlers and well lead.  So while we've dined out on the likes of Australia, India and the West Indies for the last few years these were always the next best side.

It's the classic Test Cricketing scenario though.  Put a side in the field for 3 days and they are knackered.  Put so many runs on the board that we can bowl aggressively and set ultra attacking fields.  Had the roles been reversed it'd be us polishing off them make no mistake.  That last session was always going to be the toughest and we cracked, just like most teams would and invariably do in those positions.

We'll probably now lose by an innings.  I'm not sure Finn would have made much difference as it was a slow pitch but Swann was disappointing.  England have done less with the ball in 3 days than i've seen for a decade but i'm not panicking. 

So far on this page alone people have called for Bresnan, Swann, Pietersen and Bopara to get dropped. It aint gonna happen and nor should it.  We're not Australia 1994-2007 but we're also not England 1989-1997 either.  Their world class performers have all stood up in this match, as world class performers have a tendency to do from time to time, and good luck to them.  Now we need to back ours to do the same in the next. 


As I am amongst those for calling for some of the players to be dropped I question you calling Bresnan/Bopara "world class" and I would drop them, KP and Swann deserve another chance but as has been stated above we havnt played well in Test Matches for ages and the team need a "wake up call" and lets hope this match gives it to them 

Where did I call Bresnan/Bopara 'world class'?  I'm talking about our 'World class' performers, Cook, Anderson, Swann and Broad.  Theirs, Smith, Amla, Kallis and Steyn got the job done - ours didn't.  I think we played well in the second Test in Sri Lanka and the West Indies series.

I bet every side we play against would love us to drop KP.  And replace him with who?

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Re: England 2012 Cricket Thread
« Reply #959 on: July 22, 2012, 10:36:48 PM »
Talking of 'World Class' players.  My world XI

Smith (C)
Cook
Amla
Jayawardne
Clarke
Kallis
Prior
Broad
Steyn
Anderson/Swann
Ajmal

Depending on pitch conditions, I might go in with two spinners.

 


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