Aston Villa v Liverpool Post-Match Thread

[luke25]

Guzan 6 - couple of decent saves
Hutton 5 - I actually think he put a fair amount of effort in, he's just a poor footballer that can't defend and can't attack.
Collins 3 - If we lose Clark because we've stuck by this lump i'll be almightly pissed off, atleast he did'nt hoof it much today, although his passing was still awful.
Dunne 5 - I'm probably alone here but thought he played Ok and he's a good defender, must play Clark with him though.
Warnock 2 - fucking hell! stood off Downing far to much, should've twatted the ****** early on, distribution is attrocious.
Albrighton 6 - never stopped trying
Petrov 5 - needs to be playing further forward.
Delph 2 - I think he's the worst midfielder at the club, must've passed straight to a Scouse player 12 times, playing 2 divisions above his natural level. 
N Zogbia 4 - when you get the ball lift your head up ffs, actually looked dangerous at times but then would just run into 2 defenders instead of playing the pass, infuriating!
Heskey 10 - simply for the step overs.
Delfouneso 5 - thought when he got on the ball and ran at them he looked dangerous, did'nt do it enough though

[JJ-AV]

Sack McLeish. Give Heskey, Cuellar and Beye have free transfers in the Summer. Send Jenas go back to Spurs.

Warnock, Dunne and Collins will only have 1 year left so they'll be easier to shift.

Get a younger manager who can build and grow with us, ideally someone who's been at top clubs and therefore will have contacts to get us a bit of experience in. Lambert fulfils this criteria for me.

Start playing dirty. Don't let Spurs bend the rules and get the likes of Hoilett and Diame on frees while we fund it by signing Jenas and Hutton.

Start from scratch.

[luke25]

Guzan 6 - couple of decent saves
Hutton 5 - I actually think he put a fair amount of effort in, he's just a poor footballer that can't defend and can't attack.
Collins 3 - If we lose Clark because we've stuck by this lump i'll be almightly pissed off, atleast he did'nt hoof it much today, although his passing was still awful.
Dunne 5 - I'm probably alone here but thought he played Ok and he's a good defender, must play Clark with him though.
Warnock 2 - fucking hell! stood off Downing far to much, should've twatted the c*** early on, distribution is attrocious.
Albrighton 6 - never stopped trying
Petrov 5 - needs to be playing further forward.
Delph 2 - I think he's the worst midfielder at the club, must've passed straight to a Scouse player 12 times, playing 2 divisions above his natural level. 
N Zogbia 4 - when you get the ball lift your head up ffs, actually looked dangerous at times but then would just run into 2 defenders instead of playing the pass, infuriating!
Heskey 10 - simply for the step overs.
Delfouneso 5 - thought when he got on the ball and ran at them he looked dangerous, did'nt do it enough though

Bannan 1 - Clearly believes his own hype, your not the Scottish fucking Xavi or whatever else the media label you as, stop trying to play Hollywood passes.

[Lizz]

I don't have anything new to say, but like lots of others am royally pissed off.

[Clampy]

Whilst i don't think McLeish is the answer, i'm not sure who is.

[Risso]

Delph is unfortunately looking like a case study in the perils of buying from the lower divisions rather than going out and getting a much cheaper foreign equivalent of equal ability.

[Irish villain]

I had hoped we would show some desire. I hoped we'd send Judas home with a few questions to ponder.

I have avoided posting until now because I feared what I might type in this rage.

Most of my life I remember supporting a club who tried to compete with the best. We often failed but at least we tried. This crap is soul destroying.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Brilliant stuff Brian - eloquently stating what a lot of us think.

paul_e: sorry mate, I don't see any pattern at all! Unless it's Bannan, Delph, Zog and Hutton all getting in each other's way and none of them having any idea what to do with the horrible round thing that nobody seems to want! I agree with everything else you say.

Was (still am??) prepard to give AM a chance but his post-match interview was embarrassing; alienating the fans, the players and distancing himself from the very thing he is paid to do. He also called them "this bunch". What the fuck does that mean? Very little obviously.

I feared he would make us a boring defensive team.
Unfortunately, we're not that good.

Today summed up when Dunny ventured forward, got as far as he could, and not one Villa player offered him a thing and he ended up chipping it into space behind their defence, arms raised in resignation.

Think I'll start on the Christmas booze now!

[villan from luton]

Delph is unfortunately looking like a case study in the perils of buying from the lower divisions rather than going out and getting a much cheaper foreign equivalent of equal ability.

Do you mean like Grant Holt

[ROBBO]

The Mcleish interview clearly showed he does not have a clue what to do,i think it showed a man who knows he is out of his depth. The only player that we really missed today was Gabby, we have isolated Bent all season and the only other one missing is a young kid learning his craft. I hate to say this but when we were still two down half way through the second half in the murky depths of my brain i was thinking would it benefit us in the long run for Liverpool to put another five past us. A seven nil home defeat would have made even Randy a little nervous about the future but two nil doesnt have the same impact.

[Toronto Villa]

My fear is the longer it goes and the more the criticism of his tactics grows, the more defensive of his style AM will become. To the point where every game against every opposition will be damage limitation.

There are very clearly players that have sold the club out. They cannot do the simple things properly, or they simply refuse to despite what the manager and coaches have instructed. We have 7 or 8 players that have decided their future lies elsewhere and are simply picking up a cheque every week. There is also the "rotten apple" syndrome to consider and my concern is that it might negatively influence some of the good characters and/or younger impressionable players.

I realize that AM's Rome won't be built in a day and he's also been dealt a shit hand by th club financially. But he's going to help himself by deciding to discard some of those problems as quickly as possible. I'd sooner see us trying to win with players who want to play than those who don't. McLeish's hands are somewhat tied but he still has a chance to do something about it. He has some tough decisions to make in the next few weeks or the season could nosedive very quickly.

[Gareth]

I don't like saying this as he's a young player who I'd like to see do well, but Delph is rapidly approaching "another waste of money by O'Neill" territory.

Would be useful if he could control the ball & his range of passing is shocking

[rob_bridge]

i believe Wigan had more than 50% of the posesion yesterday against Chelsea, yes Chelsea !

they came away with a point. what i'm trying to say is just because you lack expensive quality players doent mean you cant keep the ball and sometimes come away with a result, its the mindset and the way you want the game to be played
now Wigan are pretty crap, if Martinez can keep them up again he will have worked another miracle with them.
i know they are in a relegation battle, being in the bottom 3 confirms that, but at least there is something there that you can see happening every now and again
he would have been the man for us, a bit better player to work with and possibly buy, and a different football philosophy for us fans to watch.
if only

I agree - every year they lose their best players and the fact they aren't relegated Derby-style is an achievement. He must be shrewd and looked at working for the buffoon Faulkner and thought - No Ta, I'll wait until I have at least 1 relegation under my belt and play dire turgid football. As I said at the time a punt, but a progressive punt - like Turner but with Top Flight experience. May not have worked but we would be no worse off and at least we would be worth watching.

[OzVilla]

Sick of seeing us throw in the towel before the game has started.  We are a shambles.

[Gareth]

If McNegative picks that same back four on Wednesday he should be sacked on the spot!!!

- Collins is beginning to catch Zat as the most inept centre half of the last 20-25 years, he is always stood gawping at the goalscorer....
- Warnock, normally I'm slating him for going off his feet all the time, today he is up against a winger all know is scared of being challenged yet he is allowed to roam without trying to tackle him.
- Delph, way out of his depth, poor control and tackling is impetuous and dangerous
- N'Zogbia, you might be the king of dribble but you must also be the king of no end product

So, so frustrated by the garbage played