Aston Villa v Liverpool Post-Match Thread

[andyh]

Last winter randy dug deep to save our skin by getting bent to the club,please this time dig deep,hold up your hands and admit your mistake randy, pay off this loser and appoint mark Hughes!

If not relegation could cost far far more !

Why not give McLeish some money instead of chucking more away in compensation?

why, why ?

Wach that post match interview for starters.
He is out of his depth and totally clueless.
I wouldn't give him the steam off my piss, nevermind any money, other than his compo.

[villan1975]

Last winter randy dug deep to save our skin by getting bent to the club,please this time dig deep,hold up your hands and admit your mistake randy, pay off this loser and appoint mark Hughes!

If not relegation could cost far far more !

Why not give McLeish some money instead of chucking more away in compensation?

Would you trust or want him spending your money?
Given good keeper if an obvious short term choice.N'zogbia has been poor at best.
Hutton was always a poor player.
He has also managed to blunt one of the most prolific strikers in the league.

[Simba]

What t f does he do with them in training? No movement off the ball so even when we had possession there was no way forward. Defence crap notwithstanding another brave display from Dunne. Can't defend a corner. Can't create and can't score. It is honestly rubbish. No plan. No strategy. Yet he blames the players?

Oh, and welcome back Marc A. I know a cross will come when you have the ball. Well done.

[brian green]

Just got home and my son still has another seventy odd miles to go.   I will give you both of our views, I think we have earned the right to comment.

We are totally leaderless on the pitch.   Not one single player wants to give any support or encouragement to his team mates.   They clearly do not understand what the manager tells them or they cannot do what he tells them.  Every team over the years had had its player who hates to lose and who will go around the field trying to put some fire and backbone into the others.   We have no Allan Evans, no Peter Withe, no Paul Merson, no Kevin Richardson, no Andy Townsend, no John Gidman, no Vic Crowe - just a bunch of blokes who seem to hate each other.

That is my son's view.

I have come to the conclusion that our players are just not good enough.   Without the three good players we have - Given, Bent and Gabby, we are a second rate team.   We can scratch a result against other poor teams but against better players we are woefully exposed.

I think we have deluded ourselves - to ease the pain of losing  Cahill, Barry, Milner, Young and Downing - that our youngsters are much better than they really are.   The only one I think can make the grade is Clark and he never gets a game.   Bannan, Delfouesno, Albrighton, Herd, Weimann and the rest are not going to drive us into the top six of the Premiership and will more likely see us drop into the bottom six.   Hutton and Warnock are not Premiership quality and neither is Collins.   Dunne could be but gives the impression he hates the club and cannot wait to move on.   Delph has failed to live up to early expectations and desperately needs a steadying influence which is not there.   See "leadership" above.  Jenas and Ireland were financial black holes waiting to be fallen into.   Guzan reminds me of Burridge and those of you who remember Budgie will know exactly what I mean.   Heskey was finished as a Premiership force before we bought him.

Add to the players who are not good enough add a manager who is not good enough, and I am too weary to join in troll games about the man, and the reason why days like today and Spurs and Man U and Bolton in the cup are happening becomes blindingly obvious.

In all departments, including the board, we are not good enough.

Turning to McLeish's interview, it was no more than public hand washing.   His "giants" comment was as offensive to the fans as anything uttered by Houllier, but the little phrase which I picked up on was early in his string of excuses when he said "the fans tell you to do this and to do that..."   he is clearly assuming the defend yourself at all times stance as far as the fans are concerned and I think we shall look back on today's game and see it as the day the fan's patience with him ran out.   One more display like that today and he is going to wonder what hit him.

[Dave Clark Five]

There were players out there who could not control the ball, keep possession, pass it or shoot on target. Furthermore, they didn't seem to care about it. We need an injection of skill and determination on the field. Now that Hughes is being touted as the new Messiah, how would he get on with no financial backing and a squad that knows their jobs are safe owing to no new players coming in? McLeish has been hung out to dry and some cowardly players are not backing him.

[Risso]

Spot on with all that Brian, well said.  The McLeish interview was terrible, full of excuses and not taking responsibility.

[adrenachrome]

The second half was so bad we were laughing in the Upper Holte - then the 'olays' started, then the cheers when we got past the half way line, and manic vitriol when the lowest of the low happened when 2 of our players actually managed to tackle each other to give the ball away yet again and Hutton made yet another precision pass to them.

Yes. At one point I thought we might get a rendition of this from just over a year ago:

[Legion]

Just got home and my son still has another seventy odd miles to go.   I will give you both of our views, I think we have earned the right to comment.

We are totally leaderless on the pitch.   Not one single player wants to give any support or encouragement to his team mates.   They clearly do not understand what the manager tells them or they cannot do what he tells them.  Every team over the years had had its player who hates to lose and who will go around the field trying to put some fire and backbone into the others.   We have no Allan Evans, no Peter Withe, no Paul Merson, no Kevin Richardson, no Andy Townsend, no John Gidman, no Vic Crowe - just a bunch of blokes who seem to hate each other.

That is my son's view.

I have come to the conclusion that our players are just not good enough.   Without the three good players we have - Given, Bent and Gabby, we are a second rate team.   We can scratch a result against other poor teams but against better players we are woefully exposed.

I think we have deluded ourselves - to ease the pain of losing  Cahill, Barry, Milner, Young and Downing - that our youngsters are much better than they really are.   The only one I think can make the grade is Clark and he never gets a game.   Bannan, Delfouesno, Albrighton, Herd, Weimann and the rest are not going to drive us into the top six of the Premiership and will more likely see us drop into the bottom six.   Hutton and Warnock are not Premiership quality and neither is Collins.   Dunne could be but gives the impression he hates the club and cannot wait to move on.   Delph has failed to live up to early expectations and desperately needs a steadying influence which is not there.   See "leadership" above.  Jenas and Ireland were financial black holes waiting to be fallen into.   Guzan reminds me of Burridge and those of you who remember Budgie will know exactly what I mean.   Heskey was finished as a Premiership force before we bought him.

Add to the players who are not good enough add a manager who is not good enough, and I am too weary to join in troll games about the man, and the reason why days like today and Spurs and Man U and Bolton in the cup are happening becomes blindingly obvious.

In all departments, including the board, we are not good enough.

Turning to McLeish's interview, it was no more than public hand washing.   His "giants" comment was as offensive to the fans as anything uttered by Houllier, but the little phrase which I picked up on was early in his string of excuses when he said "the fans tell you to do this and to do that..."   he is clearly assuming the defend yourself at all times stance as far as the fans are concerned and I think we shall look back on today's game and see it as the day the fan's patience with him ran out.   One more display like that today and he is going to wonder what hit him.

Great post, Brian. Spot on.

[Risso]

There were players out there who could not control the ball, keep possession, pass it or shoot on target. Furthermore, they didn't seem to care about it. We need an injection of skill and determination on the field. Now that Hughes is being touted as the new Messiah, how would he get on with no financial backing and a squad that knows their jobs are safe owing to no new players coming in? McLeish has been hung out to dry and some cowardly players are not backing him.

I'm absolutely certain that Hughes would do a better job than McLeish, just as I was certain that McLeish would come in and play horrible, negative football.  He's a truly awful, awful manager, and we're just abysmal to watch.

[Legion]

The second half was so bad we were laughing in the Upper Holte - then the 'olays' started, then the cheers when we got past the half way line, and manic vitriol when the lowest of the low happened when 2 of our players actually managed to tackle each other to give the ball away yet again and Hutton made yet another precision pass to them.

Yes. At one point I thought we might get a rendition of this from just over a year ago:

"Let's pretend we've had a shot!" might be more appropriate at times.

[pauliewalnuts]

Just got home and my son still has another seventy odd miles to go.   I will give you both of our views, I think we have earned the right to comment.

We are totally leaderless on the pitch.   Not one single player wants to give any support or encouragement to his team mates.   They clearly do not understand what the manager tells them or they cannot do what he tells them.  Every team over the years had had its player who hates to lose and who will go around the field trying to put some fire and backbone into the others.   We have no Allan Evans, no Peter Withe, no Paul Merson, no Kevin Richardson, no Andy Townsend, no John Gidman, no Vic Crowe - just a bunch of blokes who seem to hate each other.

That is my son's view.

I have come to the conclusion that our players are just not good enough.   Without the three good players we have - Given, Bent and Gabby, we are a second rate team.   We can scratch a result against other poor teams but against better players we are woefully exposed.

I think we have deluded ourselves - to ease the pain of losing  Cahill, Barry, Milner, Young and Downing - that our youngsters are much better than they really are.   The only one I think can make the grade is Clark and he never gets a game.   Bannan, Delfouesno, Albrighton, Herd, Weimann and the rest are not going to drive us into the top six of the Premiership and will more likely see us drop into the bottom six.   Hutton and Warnock are not Premiership quality and neither is Collins.   Dunne could be but gives the impression he hates the club and cannot wait to move on.   Delph has failed to live up to early expectations and desperately needs a steadying influence which is not there.   See "leadership" above.  Jenas and Ireland were financial black holes waiting to be fallen into.   Guzan reminds me of Burridge and those of you who remember Budgie will know exactly what I mean.   Heskey was finished as a Premiership force before we bought him.

Add to the players who are not good enough add a manager who is not good enough, and I am too weary to join in troll games about the man, and the reason why days like today and Spurs and Man U and Bolton in the cup are happening becomes blindingly obvious.

In all departments, including the board, we are not good enough.

Turning to McLeish's interview, it was no more than public hand washing.   His "giants" comment was as offensive to the fans as anything uttered by Houllier, but the little phrase which I picked up on was early in his string of excuses when he said "the fans tell you to do this and to do that..."   he is clearly assuming the defend yourself at all times stance as far as the fans are concerned and I think we shall look back on today's game and see it as the day the fan's patience with him ran out.   One more display like that today and he is going to wonder what hit him.

Absolutely spot on, and fantastically put, Brian.

[PeterWithesShin]

Just got home and my son still has another seventy odd miles to go.   I will give you both of our views, I think we have earned the right to comment.

We are totally leaderless on the pitch.   Not one single player wants to give any support or encouragement to his team mates.   They clearly do not understand what the manager tells them or they cannot do what he tells them.  Every team over the years had had its player who hates to lose and who will go around the field trying to put some fire and backbone into the others.   We have no Allan Evans, no Peter Withe, no Paul Merson, no Kevin Richardson, no Andy Townsend, no John Gidman, no Vic Crowe - just a bunch of blokes who seem to hate each other.

That is my son's view.

I have come to the conclusion that our players are just not good enough.   Without the three good players we have - Given, Bent and Gabby, we are a second rate team.   We can scratch a result against other poor teams but against better players we are woefully exposed.

I think we have deluded ourselves - to ease the pain of losing  Cahill, Barry, Milner, Young and Downing - that our youngsters are much better than they really are.   The only one I think can make the grade is Clark and he never gets a game.   Bannan, Delfouesno, Albrighton, Herd, Weimann and the rest are not going to drive us into the top six of the Premiership and will more likely see us drop into the bottom six.   Hutton and Warnock are not Premiership quality and neither is Collins.   Dunne could be but gives the impression he hates the club and cannot wait to move on.   Delph has failed to live up to early expectations and desperately needs a steadying influence which is not there.   See "leadership" above.  Jenas and Ireland were financial black holes waiting to be fallen into.   Guzan reminds me of Burridge and those of you who remember Budgie will know exactly what I mean.   Heskey was finished as a Premiership force before we bought him.

Add to the players who are not good enough add a manager who is not good enough, and I am too weary to join in troll games about the man, and the reason why days like today and Spurs and Man U and Bolton in the cup are happening becomes blindingly obvious.

In all departments, including the board, we are not good enough.

Turning to McLeish's interview, it was no more than public hand washing.   His "giants" comment was as offensive to the fans as anything uttered by Houllier, but the little phrase which I picked up on was early in his string of excuses when he said "the fans tell you to do this and to do that..."   he is clearly assuming the defend yourself at all times stance as far as the fans are concerned and I think we shall look back on today's game and see it as the day the fan's patience with him ran out.   One more display like that today and he is going to wonder what hit him.

[Legion]

Brian, can I re-post that on our FB page?

[TheSandman]

There were players out there who could not control the ball, keep possession, pass it or shoot on target. Furthermore, they didn't seem to care about it. We need an injection of skill and determination on the field. Now that Hughes is being touted as the new Messiah, how would he get on with no financial backing and a squad that knows their jobs are safe owing to no new players coming in? McLeish has been hung out to dry and some cowardly players are not backing him.

I definitely agree that there is an element of that. The players managed to play a big part in getting rid of Houllier and now think they hold all the power. They know Aston Villa in its current situation will not achieve anything or be relegated so have realised that they can get away with coasting and going through the motions for a big check every week without any fear of being shown the door or forced to work hard. If they are forced to work they know they can wander around sulking or throwing coaches across tables and see off another manager. I genuinely think that Lerner will neither be persuaded to back McLeish nor sack him as he realises the same thing as the players. That is that we can coast around in midtable with the minimum effort from all concerned.

[PeterWithesShin]

Brian, can I re-post that on our FB page?

Send it to the marketing dept. Will need a long fucking scarf though!