Aston Villa v Liverpool Post-Match Thread

[Adam]

I doubt Lerner views this appalling mess in nearly the same way we do.  I just saw a load of Americans patting themselves on the back this week for a job well done in Iraq ffs! Let's never speak to him again in the same way he never speaks with us until he gets the message and walks away from Soccerball. Shame the club with bungled attempts to procure a new manager and then finally recruit McShit - well done fuckwits.

Many of you will remember Yorke's last game for us away at Everton when he secured his transfer by purposefully putting in zero effort and playing like a total wanker. He was still head and shoulders above Delfounso today - fact.

Dunne and Collins; omg.  Martin Laursen, a huge talent who played with total effort and conviction regardless who we were playing must be turning in his hypothetical grave. Alan Hutton? Think I'm gonna cry now.

As for the midfield I have seen more talent in a female rugby team.

Suck it up boys, we've been through all this shit before many times.
 

[CJ]

Well that was absolutely fucking awful - and the second half in particular was some of the worst football I have ever seen played by Villa. And anyone who says losing 2-0 isn't that bad needs their head examining - Suarez should have had a hat-trick but decided to do a Ronny Rosenthal for one, and his chip over Guzan which hit the post was frankly sublime. If we'd come off that losing 5 or 6 nil we couldn't have complained.

The abuse of Downing was entertaining for a bit but by half time most people by me couldn't even be bothered with that. Comedy defending again, inability to string passes together, lack of passion, lack of teamwork, total lack of movement so players get caught in possession as every one else is stood still with a Liverpool player marking him.  Totally inept.  The only person who showed any real movement was Weimann - he made 3 runs off the ball but instead of playing him through the ball was played sideways/backwards/given away. Absolutely shocking.

The second half was so bad we were laughing in the Upper Holte - then the 'olays' started, then the cheers when we got past the half way line, and manic vitriol when the lowest of the low happened when 2 of our players actually managed to tackle each other to give the ball away yet again and Hutton made yet another precision pass to them.

Thank fuck Bolton, Blackburn and Wigan are worse than us - and fingers crossed that Blackburn don't sack Kean and get a decent manager in to rescue them. Our position in mid-table is misleading - let's see where we are come January.

I am now firmly in the 'McLeish has to go' camp.

And it took me a fucking hour to get from King Edwards to the expressway.  I am not happy

[mrfuse]

Will we even touch the ball against Arsenal? I can't even begin to think about the team McLeish is going to put out there. 6-1-2-1 formation?

Thats the most disappointing thing about the villa currently the better teams dont have to have play well to beat us, if a team plays really well fair enough but none of them have. We could have got at both Man united and Liverpool God help us against Arsenal Van persie will tear us a new one

I can't see the Arse being as charitable as L-pool, they sat back 2nd half, Arse will keep coming at us...

[villadelph]

We really need to change the manager. Regardless of if he deserves the sack or not, what's coming is inevitable. The club is uninspired, it's like watching a car crash in slow motion.

Lose midweek and it'll get a lot worse.

Imagine how positive everyone would be if McLeish was sacked tomorrow and replaced with Hughes? I know it's not gonna happen, but we'd be galvanised and have a sense of optimism going into the New Year. And that's Mark bloody Hughes.

Couldn't agree more. How could you appoint a man that will be incapable of creating a good relationship with his fan base? It baffles me.

HOW IS THAT GOOD FOR THE CLUB?

[dave.woodhall]

There's always someone worse off than yourself.

Try spending all bastard day with a great chunk fallen out of a filling so every bastard bloody breath of cold air hits the nerve.

[john e]

i believe Wigan had more than 50% of the posesion yesterday against Chelsea, yes Chelsea !

they came away with a point. what i'm trying to say is just because you lack expensive quality players doent mean you cant keep the ball and sometimes come away with a result, its the mindset and the way you want the game to be played
now Wigan are pretty crap, if Martinez can keep them up again he will have worked another miracle with them.
i know they are in a relegation battle, being in the bottom 3 confirms that, but at least there is something there that you can see happening every now and again
he would have been the man for us, a bit better player to work with and possibly buy, and a different football philosophy for us fans to watch.
if only

[caster troy]

"It's difficult to get consistent when you're coming up against some of the giants every other game."

Seriously, how defeatist is McLeish? Liverpool have already lost 4 away games this season and Norwich and Swansea got a point at Anfield. If he openly states that he expects to lose these games it is no wonder the players look devoid of belief or confidence in them.

Get out of our club you gutless, uninspiring, disgraceful excuse for a manager.

[DB]

"It's difficult to get consistent when you're coming up against some of the giants every other game."

Seriously, how defeatist is McLeish? Liverpool have already lost 4 away games this season and Norwich and Swansea got a point at Anfield. If he openly states that he expects to lose these games it is no wonder the players look devoid of belief or confidence in them.

Get out of our club you gutless, uninspiring, disgraceful excuse for a manager.

That's barrell being scraped.

[PaulTheVillan]

Just watched Arsenal v City. If Arsenal come at us like that then we're in for a hiding.

[villadelph]

We must not let Randy's authority supersede our general will. We, the fans, are this football club and we must make sacrifices in order to change it as we see fit.

[PaulWinch again]

"It's difficult to get consistent when you're coming up against some of the giants every other game."

Seriously, how defeatist is McLeish? Liverpool have already lost 4 away games this season and Norwich and Swansea got a point at Anfield. If he openly states that he expects to lose these games it is no wonder the players look devoid of belief or confidence in them.

Get out of our club you gutless, uninspiring, disgraceful excuse for a manager.

We are perfectly consistent, consistently terrible. Terrible attitude from the manager as well, what a surprise. 

[Legion]

We were pathetic. I am apathetic.

[villadelph]

Has anyone heard anything about a Petrov-N'Zogbia post match bust-up?

[PeterWithesShin]

Has anyone heard anything about a Petrov-N'Zogbia post match bust-up?

Did they throw punches at each other and hit a Liverpool player instead?

[Nirog72]

I thought it was pathetic but I must have watched a different game to the people slagging Delfouneso off. I think he'll be a very decent player if he plays in a team that offers him support and supply. I think he linked up well with play generally and there were a few positive signs between him and Zog, who sadly didn't have the best game. Bannan was good and needs to start (I know last time he started he wasn't great but he needs a run of games). Petrov was Petrov. Albrighton was ok until he went to the left. I really want Delph to work but am less convinced now - he is still young though and can learn, as opposed to his older team mates.

The back four were appalling. I don't know what Dunne and Collins were discussing just after halftime but it clearly wasn't how to improve their shit defending. Hutton is crap and Warnock is similar to Hutton.

McLeish hasn't got them orgainsed, doesn't know his best team (even allowing for the injuries and suspensions) and seems to accept we will lose games like this before we start. He needs to F.O.