Aston Villa v Liverpool Post-Match Thread

[Toronto Villa]

After a shit day I went the pub to cheer myself up. For my troubles some twat decided, for no reason, to punch me. I am now covered in blood and have a broken nose. What a brilliant day.

That is utterly shit and completely uncalled for. There really are some total wankers out there. Best wishes on your recovery cd.

[The Left Side]

As someone said there is no connection between the club and the fans, I think this is common throughout football but up until this summer the fans still were 100% behind the team. Under Houllier there were many issues but we still had hope, at the moment and for the foreseeable future we are in big, big trouble, I just hope Lerner gets the message and very quickly.

[taylorsworkrate]

Shit mate, hope you at least have enough witnesses to get the thuggy ****** done.

[cdbearsfan]

After a shit day I went the pub to cheer myself up. For my troubles some twat decided, for no reason, to punch me. I am now covered in blood and have a broken nose. What a brilliant day.

That is utterly shit and completely uncalled for. There really are some total wankers out there. Best wishes on your recovery cd.

Cheers mate. I think I will be ok my nose is fairly straight so hopefully I won't further damage my already poor looks! I think the landlord knows the person who did it. I have given my details to the police and hopefully they will get the bastard and I will get some compensation off the twat.

[Greg N'Ash]

Where do you start? We can all see the problems.

The defence - AM needs to bin the balls-up brothers  and Warnock for a start, None of this "they were good 2 years ago" arse, if he doesn't give them their P45's he'll be getting his i'm afraid.

Delpth is just useless, people on here are suffering from curtis davies sydrome - i.e. the more expensive a player is, the less they want to admit he's shit.

Heskey - god almighty. Joe Royle made an interesting point when talking about Carroll ironically. When you go to head the ball you time your run  so you can attack the ball and get some power on it, not just stand there and watch the ball bounce of your noggin at 4 miles an hour. Seems to have forgotten even the basics now


AM- Even with the unlucky injuries, if he's not deliberately writing off the likes of MAN U, Liverpool, spurs as unwinnable games, then he's doing a very good impression of it.

[bones.]

Anybody with tickets changed their mind about the trip to Bristol I will gladly take them off your hands. . Up the Villa.

[KevinGage]

Very difficult to disagree with Green junior or senior sadly. 

Which is alarming, because if they're right one new managerial appointment alone won't solve our ills.

Our lack of movement when in possession has been a bugbear of Paulie, Monts and myself (and no doubt plenty of other Villa fans)  for  a while now, probably dating back even prior to MON.  But seeing as the the majority of the squad are still made up of O'Neill signings, his fingerprints are all over that particular weakness.  I don't blame him for all our current woes though.  The situation has been allowed to drift, pretty much since his departure.

No real leadership.  On or off the pitch.

[rob_bridge]

My worry is that if we get rid of Oo Eck then we will end up with one of Fergie's other acolytes be it Bruce, McClaren or Keane and not Hughes such is the Leadership which we are wholly bereft of.

[KevinGage]

The calibre of managers we approached in the summer; McLaren, Martinez and McLeish, indicate that we had one specific idea in mind-  get a guy in who won't expect too much in the way of a transfer budget and won't be making waves if he isn't given the resources to compete at the top end of the table.

If they now decide to move away from that policy, then great.   But I wouldn't automatically assume that Hughes would take the job now, even if we offer it.  I get the impression he left Fulham on the understanding he'd walk into the Villa job. I'm pretty sure he won't have appreciated being snubbed and left out on a limb.

[RonBurgundy]

Lack of movement is a disgrace and one of the main reasons I think our ball retention and passing is so poor. You could see bannan trying to force something and create going forward, passes were frequently cut off as a result. None of our players want the ball, almost all to a man they are hiding on the pitch and/or frightened and inhibited.

They're better than this turgid shit. Either the manager has them set up in the worst possible way or they are not playing for him or the club.
We'll survive this season, it's next year I really worry about. Big decisions and big changes needed.

[andrew08]

Its just all about money and RL backing the manager though isn't it ?

IMO we could get rid of the Chuckle Brothers, play Clarke and buy a £10million centre half. Buy a £15m pound midfielder and indulge AM in his desire for a upmarket Zigic. I don't know who is available and at what price that's the Managers job but a £30-£40million investment in Jan (which we got in more or less in the summer by my maths and anyway are you rich or what Randy)) would see us safely into the single digit positions again. But if RL doesn't give him the tools to do the job we just have to accept our fate. We won't go down but we'll flirt with it again at some point this season and we'll just need to get into the 30something points as soon as we can.

I think we as fans have been great so far, most understand AM's position and how his hands are tied. The defeats have been against teams we 'should' lose to (except the Albion fluke) and so we've taken it on the chin, but a loss to Swansea might see things change.

Of course there is no doubt the footy is by and large shite but since when has that mattered to most of us as long as we win.

[nick harper]

Lack of movement is a disgrace and one of the main reasons I think our ball retention and passing is so poor. You could see bannan trying to force something and create going forward, passes were frequently cut off as a result. None of our players want the ball, almost all to a man they are hiding on the pitch and/or frightened and inhibited.

They're better than this turgid shit. Either the manager has them set up in the worst possible way or they are not playing for him or the club.
We'll survive this season, it's next year I really worry about. Big decisions and big changes needed.

That's a confidence thing - and a real issue for young players looking for support and leadership. Unfortunately that side lacks leaders - too many not prepared to stand up and take responsibility. Only Petrov shows any of those qualities and he ended up being worn down by the malaise.

The reason the lack of movement was more stark yesterday was that they actually tried to play the ball to feet instead of the awful hoofball we've been subjected to in recent weeks. It is painful trying to watch someone try to pass the ball to a team mate who doesn't want it - misplaced passes are often a result of that lack of movement.

Sad to say aswell, I don't believe any of the young players are going to end up saving Lerner the fortune he anticipates. Only Clark looks good enough to me and he can't get a game - Herd, maybe. Bannan, Delfounso, Delph, Albrighton - I think they'll find their level in the chanpionship.

[Rico]

Been looking for words to try to sum up yesterdays horror show. Here's a few I found in a thesaurus:

abominable,amiss,atrocious, awful,bad news,beastly,blah*, bottom out,bummer,careless, cheap,cheesy*,crappy*,cruddy, crummy,defective,deficient, diddly,dissatisfactory,downer, dreadful,erroneous,fallacious, faulty,garbage,godawful,grody, gross*,grungy,icky,imperfect, inadequate,incorrect,inferior, junky,lousy*,not good,off,poor, raunchy*,rough,sad,slipshod, stinking,substandard,synthetic, the pits,unacceptable, unsatisfactory

But I think Fucking Shite sums it up best now.

Also just been thinking if this level of abject crap continues how long will it be before Randy overtakes deadly Doug in the hall of hate. Is Randy a closet bluenose?

[frank]

After a shit day I went the pub to cheer myself up. For my troubles some twat decided, for no reason, to punch me. I am now covered in blood and have a broken nose. What a brilliant day.

That is utterly shit and completely uncalled for. There really are some total wankers out there. Best wishes on your recovery cd.

Cheers mate. I think I will be ok my nose is fairly straight so hopefully I won't further damage my already poor looks! I think the landlord knows the person who did it. I have given my details to the police and hopefully they will get the bastard and I will get some compensation off the twat.

Very sorry to hear this, Chris. Hope you're ok

[Chris Smith]

"Too many people seem willing to blame the players

So who else do you blame when they can't manage a 10 yard pass? Or when they react slowly at a corner? Or when they hide and don't want the ball?

We were very poor yesterday but it wasn't down to tactics or the formation. It's convenient to blame the manager because that then gives the false hope that change him and everything in the garden will be rosy but it's football, not chess, and players  have to take responsibility for their own performances. If I go into work and fuck up I get the blame, not my boss.

As Nick says, a lot of it is down to confidence and that comes from within. We're also not strong enough as a squad to cope with 5 players being out, that's not an excuse but after a decent performance last week to then lose a further 3 players was the last thing we needed.