Randy Lerner - Discuss

[pauliewalnuts]

Because people haven't come to terms with the new reality. They're still expecting us to be competing for a top 6 place.

There's a big diference between competing for a top six place and the way we're heading.

Because a few performances have been bloody awful.

More than a few, and it's not just about being awful. Awful was the word to describe some of the performances under Houllier. I can stand poor performances if i know the manager is trying, but failing, to get us playing football. McLeish isn't, though. He's doing what he has always done in this league

Because they thought we'd be getting Ancelotti.

There's quite a large gap between Ancelotti and McLeish. How about choosing one of the intermediate points?

Because he used to manage Small Heath.

As mentioned.

Because unhappiness is the default setting.

An even more tired, pointless argument than the one above.

[pauliewalnuts]

Why do you think so many people are so unhappy then, Chris?

I'm assuming you're going to trot out that lazy nonsense about him having been a Small Heath manager at this point, but other than that, why do you think it is?

Different reasons for different people but amongst them:

Because people haven't come to terms with the new reality. They're still expecting us to be competing for a top 6 place.

In that case Chris, Paul Faulkner is one of those people. He reckons we can get european football this season.

And that is an example of how much of a badly run show we are at the moment.  Faulkner comes out and says "European football is still the target."  Alex McLeish responds with "Errr, hang on a minute....".  Another example is McLeish's admission that has hasn't spoken to either Lerner or Faulkner about the January transfer window.  As Chris says, transfers are a big opportunity to do something for the positive, and yet apparently three weeks out our management and owner haven't discussed anything.  Unbelievable.

Don't forget General Krulak on Villatalk saying he thought we had a chance of getting fourth.

When there was a tunult of laughter at that, he said "sorry, my finger slipped, I meant to say fifth"

As if the difference between fourth and fifth was what people were in hysterics about.

I feel sorry for the General and have no doubt he was put in an awkward situation, but that example illustrates the gobsmacking naivety in operation in the running of our club.

And not to mention the quick exit of the General - which came after four years of telling us they were going to be with us "thick or thin". In the end it lasted just until the thin had barely started.

[brian green]

Chris, when you say unhappiness is the default setting do you mean that you believe it is the human condition to be unhappy or that it is only so for unhappy people with happy people having a default setting of happiness?

It is an important distinction.

Is satisfying football following only really possible for people with a happy disposition?

[Chris Smith]

Why do you think so many people are so unhappy then, Chris?

I'm assuming you're going to trot out that lazy nonsense about him having been a Small Heath manager at this point, but other than that, why do you think it is?

Different reasons for different people but amongst them:

Because people haven't come to terms with the new reality. They're still expecting us to be competing for a top 6 place.

In that case Chris, Paul Faulkner is one of those people. He reckons we can get european football this season.

Then he must be sitting on a big pot if money for the January transfer window.

[Chris Smith]

Chris, when you say unhappiness is the default setting do you mean that you believe it is the human condition to be unhappy or that it is only so for unhappy people with happy people having a default setting of happiness?

It is an important distinction.

Is satisfying football following only really possible for people with a happy disposition?

Brian you're crediting me with more depth than I deserve. I just meant that some people, let's call him Grog, will always be unhappy with everything the club do and every now and then reality coincides with their attitudes.

[pauliewalnuts]

Chris, when you say unhappiness is the default setting do you mean that you believe it is the human condition to be unhappy or that it is only so for unhappy people with happy people having a default setting of happiness?

It is an important distinction.

Is satisfying football following only really possible for people with a happy disposition?

Brian you're crediting me with more depth than I deserve. I just meant that some people, let's call him Grog, will always be unhappy with everything the club do and every now and then reality coincides with their attitudes.

There must be some gigantic outbreak of Nashism, then, because this is hardly a few perenially moody doom and gloom merchants having a grumble.

[Lee]

Well intentioned, heart in the right place, but absolutely clueless.

Faulkner too is out of his depth.

If we sacked AM, I fear they'd use the same flawed logic in finding another manager.

Agreed.

Where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? They have passed like rain on the mountain, like wind in the meadow. The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. How did it come to this?

[Compass]

Probably means me but funny enough I was happy when Houllier was at the club. I could see what his long term vision in regards to the modern game. We'll get none of that under AM. The performance we're seeing now is the best we'll get. It's not 'awful', it's the norm under him. And it won't work.

Here's a shocker. Supporters aren't happy with a manager who could take us down with rubbish football. Chris doesn't understand it though, sadly. I hope he will sooner or later because it's becoming ridiculous the amount of straws he is clutching now.

[Chris Smith]

Chris, when you say unhappiness is the default setting do you mean that you believe it is the human condition to be unhappy or that it is only so for unhappy people with happy people having a default setting of happiness?

It is an important distinction.

Is satisfying football following only really possible for people with a happy disposition?

Brian you're crediting me with more depth than I deserve. I just meant that some people, let's call him Grog, will always be unhappy with everything the club do and every now and then reality coincides with their attitudes.

There must be some gigantic outbreak of Nashism, then, because this is hardly a few perenially moody doom and gloom merchants having a grumble.

But if you look back to my previous post I acknowledged that it was different reasons for different people.

[Chris Smith]

Probably means me but funny enough I was happy when Houllier was at the club. I could see what his long term vision in regards to the modern game. We'll get none of that under AM. The performance we're seeing now is the best we'll get. It's not 'awful', it's the norm under him. And it won't work.

Here's a shocker. Supporters aren't happy with a manager who could take us down with rubbish football. Chris doesn't understand it though, sadly. I hope he will sooner or later because it's becoming ridiculous the amount of straws he is clutching now.

Don't flatter yourself, I tend to skim over your posts as no thought goes into them.

[Iago]

Because people haven't come to terms with the new reality. They're still expecting us to be competing for a top 6 place.

What new reality? When you pay for a product you do "expect" a certain level of quality.  I expect us to be competing with the top teams, and I do not see any sort of competitiveness from this manager or his team.

And did Newcastle expect to be in the top six before the season? Things are not set in stone.

Because a few performances have been bloody awful.

Biggest understatement ever.

Because they thought we'd be getting Ancelotti.

Who thought that? I can tell you what I did not think....but you know already.

Because he used to manage Small Heath.

Maybe you should add more to that sentence. Like his relegation and style.

Because unhappiness is the default setting.

And you know everybody's personality from behind your screen. Get real.

[brian green]

Its not that Chris.   You always see the positive side while I am am much more easily depressed by what I see at our games than I used to be.

Damon and I walked out of the Holte End last night and we both said we just did not care any more.   He has been going since the days I used to sit him on a crush barrier and we have nearly a hundred years of Villa support between us.

Is it us?   Is it the awful state the country is in getting to us?   Are we just a pair of miseryarses on our default setting?

[DB]

OK, lets put a positive spin on this, what exactly has AM done so far that is gives us hope or convince us that he is doing a good job?

Someone please give us something...

[Compass]

Probably means me but funny enough I was happy when Houllier was at the club. I could see what his long term vision in regards to the modern game. We'll get none of that under AM. The performance we're seeing now is the best we'll get. It's not 'awful', it's the norm under him. And it won't work.

Here's a shocker. Supporters aren't happy with a manager who could take us down with rubbish football. Chris doesn't understand it though, sadly. I hope he will sooner or later because it's becoming ridiculous the amount of straws he is clutching now.

Don't flatter yourself, I tend to skim over your posts as no thought goes into them.

Yet why should your opinions be taken seriously when you commented on a game you haven't seen? You're a hypocrite and worse of all you insist of defending him when he has turned us into the new Blues. The facts are there, you just refuse to acknowledge it.

[Iago]

Probably means me but funny enough I was happy when Houllier was at the club. I could see what his long term vision in regards to the modern game. We'll get none of that under AM. The performance we're seeing now is the best we'll get. It's not 'awful', it's the norm under him. And it won't work.

Here's a shocker. Supporters aren't happy with a manager who could take us down with rubbish football. Chris doesn't understand it though, sadly. I hope he will sooner or later because it's becoming ridiculous the amount of straws he is clutching now.

Don't flatter yourself, I tend to skim over your posts as no thought goes into them.

Maybe you meant me then? *wink*