Aston Villa v Manchester United Post-Match Thread

[timeoutbigbar]

Beaten by a poor man united side who didn't need to break stride.  Another poor game in a depressing season.  Oh well, sideways and downwards!

[ozzjim]

I think the fans need to start being very vocal about the manager next game onwards. It cannot go into Jan. We need a football man on the board to assist getting the next man in too.

[Nev]

I think the fans need to start being very vocal about the manager next game onwards. It cannot go into Jan. We need a football man on the board to assist getting the next man in too.

I always pinpointed Swansea at home in the new year that would be the turning point, with a tricky cup tie thereafter. I haven't changed my mind.

[bones.]

Ah, thank you, Watford, that is another game I can get to next season. Brighton, Palace, Southampton (if not promoted), Millwall (eek!), Pompey, Charlton (if promoted), the list is growing!

Bristol might be a good day out for you. Its a few years since we last visited  Ashton Gate

[taylorsworkrate]

Scott Murray on the Guardian minute-by-minute: "That was possibly the worst game of football ever played. No blame attached to United, who did what they had to do, away from home. Villa, however, were nothing short of an ambition-free disgrace. Premier League football isn't cheap, and their fans deserve better entertainment than that. The home fans - the ones who could be bothered to stay until the end - boo their team off. To repeat a question from the first half: I wonder how long this Alex McLeish business will last?"

And that's a neutral. Says it all really.

It is absolutely impossible to argue with any of that.  It is 100% bang on the money.

There is absolutely no way anyone can possibly defend any aspect of that performance, or make any excuses.

[garyshawsknee]

I think the fans need to start being very vocal about the manager next game onwards. It cannot go into Jan. We need a football man on the board to assist getting the next man in too.

McCleish has been lucky not to get too much grief from the crowd,considering the last few perfromances,I dont think the ground will get too vocal,but we'll be lucky to get 29 thousand come Jan.

[caster troy]

I think the fans need to start being very vocal about the manager next game onwards. It cannot go into Jan. We need a football man on the board to assist getting the next man in too.

Agreed, we also need a giant banner that says 'Randy - We told you so.'

[Eigentor]

We are going down. I am totally sure of it. 6 points off the relegation zone, and fucking Yakubu managed 4 against Swansea today.

I don't think relegation is an immediate threat. At the moment, Swansea, Wigan and Blackburn all seem to be even worse than us. The problem is that Wigan has successfully avoided relegation the last couple of seasons despite being mired among the bottom three for most of the season; Blackburn have some decent players, and a new manager could improve them. Whereas Big Eck's record in relegation battles are all too well-known.

[NeilH]

I think the fans need to start being very vocal about the manager next game onwards. It cannot go into Jan. We need a football man on the board to assist getting the next man in too.

McCleish has been lucky not to get too much grief from the crowd,considering the last few perfromances,I dont think the ground will get too vocal,but we'll be lucky to get 29 thousand come Jan.

I also suspect that will happen. The fans will just stay away and we'll be playing to a half empty VP with an atmosphere like a morgue.

[garyshawsknee]

Scott Murray on the Guardian minute-by-minute: "That was possibly the worst game of football ever played. No blame attached to United, who did what they had to do, away from home. Villa, however, were nothing short of an ambition-free disgrace. Premier League football isn't cheap, and their fans deserve better entertainment than that. The home fans - the ones who could be bothered to stay until the end - boo their team off. To repeat a question from the first half: I wonder how long this Alex McLeish business will last?"

And that's a neutral. Says it all really.

It is absolutely impossible to argue with any of that.  It is 100% bang on the money.

There is absolutely no way anyone can possibly defend any aspect of that performance, or make any excuses.

It was the same with Claridge and the 5 live team the other week at Spurs,they really seemed shocked at how poor and negative we were,the sad thing is,we the fans are starting to get use to it now.

[PaulWinch again]

Mcleish has to go. He picked more a less what I thought was the right side today and they were absolutely diabolical and couldn't do anything. Horrendous.

It`s true that today`s performance was like watching a horse die, but if that was the team you might have picked, Paul, and playing system(s) aside, how do you explain our hapless passing, tackling and heading.?
 Is that the manager`s fault?

Norm.

I guess that he can't motivate the players, some of them have blame as well. However a better manager would sort it out.

[TonyD]

I think the fans need to start being very vocal about the manager next game onwards. It cannot go into Jan. We need a football man on the board to assist getting the next man in too.

I agree. I expected the crowd to turn on Eck this evening big time after that shite.  Strange how they have come to accept the slide into the championship.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Scott Murray on the Guardian minute-by-minute: "That was possibly the worst game of football ever played. No blame attached to United, who did what they had to do, away from home. Villa, however, were nothing short of an ambition-free disgrace. Premier League football isn't cheap, and their fans deserve better entertainment than that. The home fans - the ones who could be bothered to stay until the end - boo their team off. To repeat a question from the first half: I wonder how long this Alex McLeish business will last?"

And that's a neutral. Says it all really.

We are getting absolutely slated on Premier League TV and rightly so. I could forgive us if Spursaway was a one off but today confirmed it wasn't. Ferguson must love us, his players will be fresh for the CL game in the week, they never had to go out of second gear today.

[TonyD]

We are going down. I am totally sure of it. 6 points off the relegation zone, and fucking Yakubu managed 4 against Swansea today.

I don't think relegation is an immediate threat. At the moment, Swansea, Wigan and Blackburn all seem to be even worse than us. The problem is that Wigan has successfully avoided relegation the last couple of seasons despite being mired among the bottom three for most of the season; Blackburn have some decent players, and a new manager could improve them. Whereas Big Eck's record in relegation battles are all too well-known.

I reckon it is nailed on with Eck in charge,  where is the fight going to come from in April? 

[Toronto Villa]

I said in the match thread that despite willing to give him every chance in the world to succeed that i had a feeling that it could be bad. I just had no idea that it could ever, ever be as bad as this. I honestly thought that given the talent at the club, and I still believe we have some very good players that AM would change what he is reputed to be. He simply hasn't and/or won't which is even more worrying.

I just want to know what he is trying to do. What goals does he set for the team and himself every game. Because i'llbe royally fucked if I know.