Aston Villa v Tesco Bags Post-Match Thread

[taylorsworkrate]

Was Hutton's a sending off?

Seemed a very meaty tackle to me against a typical leg dangling centre forward.

No question in my opinion.  Lunged off the ground, with way too much force.  Shane Long is very lucky not to be out of action for a year.

If an Albion player had made that tackle we'd all be going berserk.

[ktvillan]

Anyone who thinks Hutton's challenge was okay just because he won the ball should read the laws of the game as follows:   

"A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play.

A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

Any player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off...."

Winning the ball is irrelevant, Hutton lunged in with both feet off the ground, endangered his opponent to the extent where he had to limp off injured,  and was very lucky to stay on the pitch.   

For that matter so was Billy Jones for his over the top challenge on Zog at the end of the first half.

Dowd was also right not to send off Foster, nothing to do with being last man, that's irrelevant bullshit spouted by lazy fuckwit MOTD pundits like Shearer and Hansen.  The rule is about denying a goalscoring opportunity.  Gabby nicked the ball but he was never going to control it and score. Foul but no red card.

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Was Hutton's a sending off?

Seemed a very meaty tackle to me against a typical leg dangling centre forward.

I refuse to accept 'meaty' as an acceptable description of a tackle where he seemed to lose control of his body and could have inflicted serious injury to the opponent as a result.

Also, with three at the back we might well have been slaughtered out wide, with only one player on each of their full-back/winger pairings.

I haven't suggested we went three at the back, I am stating that Blakey had the Olbyion go three at the back for large chunks of the second half with Reid or Jones wandering high into the midfield.

[KevinGage]

Seems somewhat unfair to bag McLeish today, as the sending off definitely turned the game.  And we have been unbeaten for the opening few months of the season.

But:

-A brace of goals conceded today against dross like the Olbiyun
-Two conceded away to Everton - with their well documented problems up top
-Two against Bolton at home in the cup   (with virtually a first choice backline)
- 4 conceded against a Man Citeh side that barely had to get out of second gear

And a joke of a goal conceded to QPR away in injury time.

These have all occured during our supposedly 'easier' run too.  I genuinely hope the Citeah result isn't a portent of things to come against the better sides.

Our lack of creativity, guile, movement off the ball and service for Bent are not hugely surprising if we're honest.   Anyone who knew anything about McLeish pre Villa would say there was a better than average chance of some (maybe all)  of those things coming to pass.

But our defence hasn't improved dramatically on his watch -and that's supposed to be his forté.   If he isn't even bringing that to the table, he isn't really bringing anything at all.

[PaulWinch again]

Well the Herd red card is on Youtube and it is not.

[Greg N'Ash]

It weren't a sending off. Beats me how anyone can claim it was. As for being a stamp even the guy fouled claimed it was a kick

[Monty]

Was Hutton's a sending off?

Seemed a very meaty tackle to me against a typical leg dangling centre forward.

I refuse to accept 'meaty' as an acceptable description of a tackle where he seemed to lose control of his body and could have inflicted serious injury to the opponent as a result.

Also, with three at the back we might well have been slaughtered out wide, with only one player on each of their full-back/winger pairings.

I haven't suggested we went three at the back, I am stating that Blakey had the Olbyion go three at the back for large chunks of the second half with Reid or Jones wandering high into the midfield.

I see. Put that down to a misread then, eh.

Just found some statistics. About halfway down the page.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11096_2705370,00+en-USS_01DBC.html

We are 18th in the league for passes completed and 20th for shots on target. That has to be unacceptable, really.

[PeterWithesShin]

I'm not convinced Foster shouldn't have gone. Watch the slow mo on this and I reckon Gabby would have had the chance of a shot as their player was basically stood still when Gabby nicked it.
Also has the Herd challenge on.

[taylorsworkrate]

Was Hutton's a sending off?

Seemed a very meaty tackle to me against a typical leg dangling centre forward.

I refuse to accept 'meaty' as an acceptable description of a tackle where he seemed to lose control of his body and could have inflicted serious injury to the opponent as a result.

Also, with three at the back we might well have been slaughtered out wide, with only one player on each of their full-back/winger pairings.

I haven't suggested we went three at the back, I am stating that Blakey had the Olbyion go three at the back for large chunks of the second half with Reid or Jones wandering high into the midfield.

I see. Put that down to a misread then, eh.

Just found some statistics. About halfway down the page.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11096_2705370,00+en-USS_01DBC.html

We are 18th in the league for passes completed and 20th for shots on target. That has to be unacceptable, really.

It is unacceptable, but not especially suprising.

[taylorsworkrate]

FUCKIN SWANSEA have nearly double the amount of successful passes that we do.

[Greg N'Ash]

looks like hutton could be in trouble. serious knee injury according to Hodgeson


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15415631.stm

[Dave]

I'm not convinced Foster shouldn't have gone. Watch the slow mo on this and I reckon Gabby would have had the chance of a shot as their player was basically stood still when Gabby nicked it.

It definitely wasn't a sending off.

There was no clear goalscoring opportunity. For that to be the case, the player has to be pretty much in full control of the ball and running directly towards goal. As soon as the ball is going away from the goal (which it was in this case) then there's no red card.

[JJ-AV]

Heskey in holding midfield. What?

[CT]

We were close to the "linesman" who managed to miss Olsen's "swing" and yet managed to spot a sending off offence and penalty seconds later. Totally f'kin inept.

I thought Herd was doing really well until that. Then we just completely fell apart - I said to my mate at one point that we were making Albion look like Brazil 1970 in the 2nd half.

AM went to press midweek, talking about dropping players who can't defend set-pieces. I expect a few changes before we see the Villa again then AM.

[rutski]

we were well in control today. the sending off changed everything. all this bleating about tactics is bullshit! so disappointed in the black country here and i had to come home with the twats!
watched the sending off incident 20 times and the linesman and dowd are arseholes! what the fuck does he think he saw? both players just get up and jog towards the edge of the area. i am so angry i cannot believe it! Wankers!