Aston Villa v Tesco Bags Post-Match Thread

[Dave]

McLeish's view:

"The sending-off cost us severely - no doubt about it. The kid had started the game really well and we were looking good at that point. In the pictures I have seen it looked as if Chris was extricating his foot from Jonas Olsson's grasp and Olsson didn't react to it. If you'd been stamped on, you'd expect the player to complain."

[PeterWithesShin]

Just got back, we looked comfortable up until the sending off. After that we fell apart. Haven't seen the sending off yet so no idea if it should have been given or not but it 100% changed the game.

THe question is PWS why did we fall apart? Why didn't McLeish make effective subs straight away and change tactics? How does  havinga man short  makes you crap at defending corners?

Well when we insist on having Bannan back defending them you know you're in trouble. The other problem is when you are down to 10 men you have to make possession count. Our passing and movement has been shocking for as long as I can remember, and continues to show no signs of improvement.

[olaftab]

I thought three of those four were among our better players, I'd have put Dunne as clearly our best player.

Really? Where was he on those two corners?

[Dave]

I thought three of those four were among our better players, I'd have put Dunne as clearly our best player.

Really? Where was he on those two corners?

Certainly for the second one there's no reason Given couldn't have come to claim it. Actually, there's one reason - he's not very good at it.

[PeterWithesShin]

Just got back, we looked comfortable up until the sending off. After that we fell apart. Haven't seen the sending off yet so no idea if it should have been given or not but it 100% changed the game.

Petrov was woeful today I thought, especially in the second half. The amount of times Gabby made a run and Petrov ignored him and played it sideways or backwards was ridiculous. Gabby or a set piece was the only way we were going to score in that second half. So play to Gabby's strength you fucking useless twats, get the ball to him when he's already started his run. Not when Gabby has had to stop and has his back to goal.

Bent, if he doesn't score he may as well not be on the park. I knew when we signed him he was primarily a goal scorer and not much else but had no idea how shit he was at everything else.

Whether a red card or not I thought Herd did okay in his brief appearance.

P.s. Fucking lucky shirt my arse!!

Oh, and N'Zogbia was fucking wank yet again today.

[paulcomben]

They scored twice from corners. If McLeish can't even drill Villa to defend set pieces, we are doomed.

[olaftab]

McLeish's view:

"The sending-off cost us severely - no doubt about it. The kid had started the game really well and we were looking good at that point. In the pictures I have seen it looked as if Chris was extricating his foot from Jonas Olsson's grasp and Olsson didn't react to it. If you'd been stamped on, you'd expect the player to complain."

He would have done if he was  South American like Nunez the other night!This man our Manager needs to look at his own input post sending off not moan about it, Shit happens  it's how you get out of it makes the man and the team.

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11 v 11 we're easily the better side,competitive, winning balls and creating the only chances.

Up step that fat fucking c*** Dowd and that's that.

Not saying Dowd isn't a c***, because he is.
But the Lino was the one who saw the incident

Its still the referees job to send him off.

The most crucial matter is Olsons' response. He doesn't react.

Every time that ****** is in charge he fucking costs us.

[Ennis]

it wasn't the sending off that cost us, more our reaction (or lack of) to it.  Once the penalty was missed a forward should have been sacrificed (preferably Bent) to accommodate Clarke/Ireland to fill the gigantic hole that appeared in the centre of our midfield for the remaining 60 minutes of the game

[Tony]

We lost because we are crap at defending corners again, earlier in the season I had hopes we'd sorted this out but we clearly haven't.

I didn't see the red card incident, however I was watching the pair as the corner came in and felt Olsson wrestled Herd to the ground, not sure why the linesman didn't flag for a free kick but if Herd stamped on him it would have been a red whether they were awarded a penalty or not.

I'm bemused as to why when we're playing long balls forward, we bring on the only striker in the squad capable of winning long balls in the air and play him in midfield, baffling decision.

We are so crap at passing the ball too, even simple passes seem a challenge, this was a problem long before McLeish arrived but he needs to sort that out, it's pitiful.

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McLeish's view:

"The sending-off cost us severely - no doubt about it. The kid had started the game really well and we were looking good at that point. In the pictures I have seen it looked as if Chris was extricating his foot from Jonas Olsson's grasp and Olsson didn't react to it. If you'd been stamped on, you'd expect the player to complain."

He would have done if he was  South American like Nunez the other night!This man our Manager needs to look at his own input post sending off not moan about it, Shit happens  it's how you get out of it makes the man and the team.

Bollocks.

You cannot gloss over a decision such as sending off. We were the better side, winning and looking comfortable. We then go down to ten men and lose a game after suddenly looking poor.

Its not hard to grasp what the critical element in that equation was is it.

[garyshawsknee]

A worrying pattern seems to be developing,even in the games we drew we were pretty much dominated by the opposition,and we were fortunate with our early fixtures . But most of us on here were in agreement that the choice of the new manager was a bad choice,and it was nothing to do with his links to the blues,he's just an average manager,and we are now a very average team.

[andyh]

As as it went 1-1 you just knew that was the end of us trying to win the game.
I fully expected us to lock up shop, defend deep and hope to scrape a draw.
Thats what our manager has done to us. With 45 mins left, I just knew there was no chance of us even trying to win the game.
Today is a real wake up call for me.
We don't want to compete anymore, we exist to exist. As a force we are dead, we'll never win anything againg we are just another team who muddle along and then celebrate the odd win against the big boys like we have a won a cup final - just like the baggies today.
That is our future.

[ez]

Not even a card for the west brom keeper. Have to assume he wasn't the last man

[Rigadon]

Missed this game due to work.  From reports it looks like we were unlucky with the sending off and the second goal fell fortunately for them.  This about right or should McLeish and Lerner shoot themselves in the face tonight for the good of Aston?