Boring Boring Football

[Chris Smith]

I do worry as to how I sell the idea of following a Villa who will never win a thing to my one year old when he grows.

You explain the concept of glory hunters, the thinking behind the "where were you when you were shit" song, the ideas of loyalty, thick and thin and tradition.

If that fails you put him in a sack with a few house bricks and drop him in the cut. ;-)

[Dave Cooper please]

I do worry as to how I sell the idea of following a Villa who will never win a thing to my one year old when he grows.

You explain the concept of glory hunters, the thinking behind the "where were you when you were shit" song, the ideas of loyalty, thick and thin and tradition.

If that fails you put him in a sack with a few house bricks and drop him in the cut. ;-)

Or you let him have his own way and let him become an Olbiyun fan in the sure knowledge that he will be even more utterly miserable than any Villa fan could ever be.

[Clampy]

just trying to get the point across that I cant see any Villa fan turning his nose up at anyone offering to make a Man City type of investment into the club.

I'd love an Aguero or Silva down VP. I'm not sure i'd like an Adebayor, Santa Cruz or Robinho though. Those three cost them best part of £100m and did'nt they do well? I'd have also been horrified at the thought of us paying £24m for Lescott. That's where Man City sold their soul to an extent, buying anybody just because they could afford to. At least one or two of their recent purchases have looked worth the money, although i'm not sure they needed Nasri or Hargreaves.

[Gazza1982]

I agree that Man City now have an embarrasment of riches but thats where a good manager comes in. Look at some of the crocks Ferguson bought over the years, Djemba Djemba and Veron being the most obvious examples.Be nice to be in that position though I think you would agree.

[dave.woodhall]

I agree that Man City now have an embarrasment of riches but thats where a good manager comes in. Look at some of the crocks Ferguson bought over the years, Djemba Djemba and Veron being the most obvious examples.Be nice to be in that position though I think you would agree.

That's just the thing. They can afford to buy shite, give them away then buy more, until they get it right.

[Chris Smith]

Every time they buy a Milner, Lescott or Nasri they're weakening a potential rival at the same time as adding to their squad. If it wasn't for the lure of CL football they'd find it much mire difficult to keep 24 players happy.

In the days when the league was more competitive there was a more even distribution of talent and the idea of an international footballer being content to be a squad player was laughable.

[not3bad]

Fans are realising the uncompetitive nature of PL and are not prepared to part with their  hard earned cash.

So are there threads like this in all the football forums?  What about general Premier League forums with supporters from all sides?

I found some of the points made in this thread interesting - and there is also a perpective from overseas fans:

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?s=757a42ccb59b7a5250c4061cafc7d389&t=1363439

[Gazza1982]

Which is why I welcome the new UEFA legislation thats on the cards in a couple of seasons. A club will only be allowed to spend what it earns,I suppose its to stop bankruptcy happening. Not sure i would agree with 'when the league was more competitive' either. You would have to go way back to the 70's early 80's when 'lesser' clubs the like of Derby, ourselves,Ipswich,Forest all had good teams but none of them could sustain it. Its only ever been Liverpool Manure,Chelsea,Arsenal and now more recently Man City in the last 30 years that have ever been in with a chance of winning the title.
Saying that,it is no doubt a real pisser to see the England team littered with ex-Villa players.

[Clampy]

Its only ever been Liverpool Manure,Chelsea,Arsenal and now more recently Man City in the last 30 years that have ever been in with a chance of winning the title.

You forgot Blackburn.

[Lee]

Felt like this for nigh on 2 years.

Although I have been to every Home game this season apart accept for Wigan and in the process of sorting out my Sunderland Away Day, I have lost all the excitement that I used to have going to the match.

Perhaps it's my age..

[DeKuip]

Its only ever been Liverpool Manure,Chelsea,Arsenal and now more recently Man City in the last 30 years that have ever been in with a chance of winning the title.

You forgot Blackburn.

How dare you dismiss our challenge in 92-93. It certainly felt like we were in with a chance for most of the season.

[Gazza1982]

Yes I did, an earlier post on here mentioned the NFL system whereby the least succesful teams from the previous season have the first choice pick of new players. Wouldn't have a clue as to how that would be implemented here but the principal is sound. You have to look at what Newcastle and Everton are doing now to see that money aside, good managemen, scouting system and a quality youth set up can offset to a certain degree truck loads of money.

[Brian Taylor]

Every time they buy a Milner, Lescott or Nasri they're weakening a potential rival at the same time as adding to their squad. If it wasn't for the lure of CL football they'd find it much mire difficult to keep 24 players happy.

In the days when the league was more competitive there was a more even distribution of talent and the idea of an international footballer being content to be a squad player was laughable.

when Cloughie brought Colin Todd to Derby for a then record fee of £175k the journalists only wanted to know about his prospects of getting into the England team. Cloughie interrupted the Press Conference to interject. 'England? He's not in my team yet'!
Players knew where the stood back then!

[Dave Cooper please]

Which is why I welcome the new UEFA legislation thats on the cards in a couple of seasons. A club will only be allowed to spend what it earns,

Great in theory, meaningless in practice.
Man City have already announced their intention to circumvent that rule by having their stadium sponsored by (by their owners) for an absolutely ludicrous amount.

[TimTheVillain]

Which is why I welcome the new UEFA legislation thats on the cards in a couple of seasons. A club will only be allowed to spend what it earns,

Great in theory, meaningless in practice.
Man City have already announced their intention to circumvent that rule by having their stadium sponsored by (by their owners) for an absolutely ludicrous amount.

Not totally meaningless, we've already established here that we can't raise a massive amount of money by having our stadium sponsored, so to Villa it's meaningful.

Meaningful to Villa.

It means we're going to be playing second fiddle to the likes of Citeh for the foreseeable future. 

Add to that that Villa fans would rather see us struggle than have the stadium sponsored and we are where we are still - a bit skint !