Randy wants to cut wages further - Mirror article

[Villafirst]

Randy hasn't been over for a single game so far this season .GK has disappeared off the forums. I find that more worrying

So Randy is one those fair weather fans that are not going the games anymore then.

That is depressing!

Even more reason for him to sell up to hopefully someone who can inject the significant funds required to run a club the size of Villa. He's clearly given up the ghost and selling the club's brightest talent year on year is scandalous and will ruin the club's future - stay on the other side of the pond for good Lerner!

Do we keep his money, or do we send it back to him?

Ha Ha very funny......I'm sure he can arrange for his bank to have the balance of the Downing / Young money sent electronically at the press of a button along with the sale of the club. Perhaps you enjoy the boring safety of mid-table mediocrity?

Would that be the Downing and Young that were paid for by Randy in the first place, and who both wanted to leave?

And why did they want to leave along with Barry and Milner? Because they could see that the club were not going to challenge seriously for the top honours and that is now more distant than ever. Mr Lerner allowed MON to squander most of the money and by the time he realised it wasn't going to work MON resigned.

[ez]

I wonder if he'll have the big screen put back before he goes... or is it already installed at the Lerner residence 

[TimTheVillain]

I wonder if he'll have the big screen put back before he goes... or is it already installed at the Lerner residence 

Ha ha

Faulkner is on record saying that it was not aesthetically pleasing and low graphics and other stadiums don't have them - Man Ure for instance.

I do think Randy wants out, but is struggling just like Everton to find the right buyer.

[Clampy]

I'm as disapointed as anyone that we've let some good players ago, i'm sure Arsenal fans feel the same after losing Nasri and Fabregas so we're not alone in that and besides, Young was never going to turn down Man Utd.

It's disapointing but we still spent £16m in the summer. No it was'nt enough but if the likes of Bannan and Ireland come good off the back of it, then we'll be ok.

[VillaAlways]

I think Randys intentions will become clearer if an offer comes in for say Bannan in the Summer if he has a blinding season Young and Downing most people can accept but if he starts flogging off our homegrown talent things could start to get nasty

[Chris Smith]

Randy hasn't been over for a single game so far this season .GK has disappeared off the forums. I find that more worrying

So Randy is one those fair weather fans that are not going the games anymore then.

That is depressing!

Even more reason for him to sell up to hopefully someone who can inject the significant funds required to run a club the size of Villa. He's clearly given up the ghost and selling the club's brightest talent year on year is scandalous and will ruin the club's future - stay on the other side of the pond for good Lerner!

What size is that? A club averaging about 32k this season? Surely we have to be able to support ourselves not rely on the whim of whichever billionaire fancies a crack at it? To do that we have to be realistic about wages. I hate this attitude of pleading to be the next Man City, show some fucking dignity.

[LeeB]

Randy hasn't been over for a single game so far this season .GK has disappeared off the forums. I find that more worrying

So Randy is one those fair weather fans that are not going the games anymore then.

That is depressing!

Even more reason for him to sell up to hopefully someone who can inject the significant funds required to run a club the size of Villa. He's clearly given up the ghost and selling the club's brightest talent year on year is scandalous and will ruin the club's future - stay on the other side of the pond for good Lerner!

Do we keep his money, or do we send it back to him?

Ha Ha very funny......I'm sure he can arrange for his bank to have the balance of the Downing / Young money sent electronically at the press of a button along with the sale of the club. Perhaps you enjoy the boring safety of mid-table mediocrity?

Would that be the Downing and Young that were paid for by Randy in the first place, and who both wanted to leave?

And why did they want to leave along with Barry and Milner? Because they could see that the club were not going to challenge seriously for the top honours and that is now more distant than ever. Mr Lerner allowed MON to squander most of the money and by the time he realised it wasn't going to work MON resigned.
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Randy hasn't been over for a single game so far this season .GK has disappeared off the forums. I find that more worrying

So Randy is one those fair weather fans that are not going the games anymore then.

That is depressing!

Even more reason for him to sell up to hopefully someone who can inject the significant funds required to run a club the size of Villa. He's clearly given up the ghost and selling the club's brightest talent year on year is scandalous and will ruin the club's future - stay on the other side of the pond for good Lerner!

What size is that? A club averaging about 32k this season? Surely we have to be able to support ourselves not rely on the whim of whichever billionaire fancies a crack at it? To do that we have to be realistic about wages. I hate this attitude of pleading to be the next Man City, show some fucking dignity.

Dead right Chris, it gets my fucking goat as well.

[dave.woodhall]

Randy hasn't been over for a single game so far this season .GK has disappeared off the forums. I find that more worrying

So Randy is one those fair weather fans that are not going the games anymore then.

That is depressing!

Even more reason for him to sell up to hopefully someone who can inject the significant funds required to run a club the size of Villa. He's clearly given up the ghost and selling the club's brightest talent year on year is scandalous and will ruin the club's future - stay on the other side of the pond for good Lerner!

Do we keep his money, or do we send it back to him?

Ha Ha very funny......I'm sure he can arrange for his bank to have the balance of the Downing / Young money sent electronically at the press of a button along with the sale of the club. Perhaps you enjoy the boring safety of mid-table mediocrity?

I enjoy supporting the team I've always supported without stamping my foot every time things go wrong and believing there's an endless stream of oligarchs waiting to donate their fortunes to us then walk away once they've got no money left.

[Percy McCarthy]

Our decline isn't the fault of MON squandering money or Randy letting him. Our aim of competing for the top prizes was over as soon as we decided not to/couldn't afford to pay the likes of Barry, Milner and Young 150k a week. No amount of cheaper foreign right-backs we might have bought would have made that affordable for Randy's Villa, sadly.

[VillaAlways]

Our aim of competing for the top prizes was over as soon as we decided not to/couldn't afford to pay the likes of Barry, Milner and Young 150k a week.

Didn't the General claim that we matched any offers of salary the above had recieved. At the time I couldnt see how it could be true

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

I honestly believe he came to Villa believing that, with MON in charge, the league how it was at the time and a him putting in a fair bit of money, we would make the Champions League (which was their ultimate aim) by now.

Unfortunately, because of a variety of reasons, we just missed out.

Now we're in a position that he had hope not to be in, so he's cutting back because he can't afford to put the same amounts of money in time after time. I think now he's got to let the club just tick over, not because he wants that to happen, but because, financially, he just can't do it anymore.

We had our chance and blew it/were unlucky to miss out.

From my perspective, Stoke ruined it for us. Those 2 goals late in the game after that Europa league game. From what I can remember, it was two silly errors for thos Stoke goals. If those errors weren't made, we really would be in a different position now...but, it didn't and we're in the position we're in.

As for the wages, if we can rid ourselves of players such as Beye and Heskey and replace them with young, cheaper players with potential instead, then I don't see the problem.

[pestria]

Rigadon: No question in financial terms Ellis handed over a club in good order and good standing, and i think its fair to say, that's something that we should put on his epitaph for his time at Villa ( you could also make a few points where Ellis was
concerned that were not so good!!!) point is Ellis handed over to Randy Lerner, so
found the right man at the time, but, obviously things change.

By handed over you mean "sold at a huge profit after making a small fortune
while running the club".

Or sold at fair Market value after earning a similar amount to other chief execs?

It'll be interesting what price Lerner puts on the club if the rumour listed on here
is true.  I imagine he will look for fair market value even after paying a piss poor management team hefty salaries.

My point was that he didn't, as suggested, hand the club over to Lerner. He sold at a huge profit that as majority shareholder benefitted him enormously. That was consistent with his overall tenure where decisions that benefitted Herbert had been the norm.

My point is that Lerner is not the great philanthropist many on here would have us believe.  You might argue the will was there to do something, but the business acumen in the face of being financially outgunned wasn't.  The reality is that he's a business man who's had least had the sense to not to metaphorically piss the family farm up the wall. 

Clearly Ellis was out for himself, but at least in his prime he was part of something very special in returning Villa from the 3rd division to European champions. 

[RunRickyRun]

What size is that? A club averaging about 32k this season? Surely we have to be able to support ourselves not rely on the whim of whichever billionaire fancies a crack at it? To do that we have to be realistic about wages. I hate this attitude of pleading to be the next Man City, show some fucking dignity.

My thoughts exactly

[Dave Clark Five]

I enjoy supporting the team I've always supported without stamping my foot every time things go wrong and believing there's an endless stream of oligarchs waiting to donate their fortunes to us then walk away once they've got no money left.

I am longing for the day when something happens with the likes of Abramovich that causes him to withdraw all his money and leave Chelsea in the shit. Maybe we could then get back to the days when most clubs were run by local businessmen.

[Neil Hawkes]

Randy hasn't been over for a single game so far this season .GK has disappeared off the forums. I find that more worrying

So Randy is one those fair weather fans that are not going the games anymore then.

That is depressing!

Even more reason for him to sell up to hopefully someone who can inject the significant funds required to run a club the size of Villa. He's clearly given up the ghost and selling the club's brightest talent year on year is scandalous and will ruin the club's future - stay on the other side of the pond for good Lerner!

What size is that? A club averaging about 32k this season? Surely we have to be able to support ourselves not rely on the whim of whichever billionaire fancies a crack at it? To do that we have to be realistic about wages. I hate this attitude of pleading to be the next Man City, show some fucking dignity.

Spot on Chris, sadly lacking in far too many.