To be honest, if the players had any brains about them, they'd refrain from talking too much about last season, lest they remind us of their own roles in it.To listen to some of them recently, you'd think they contributed nothing to it. I don't remember Houllier forcing Dunne and Collins to go out and get shitfaced on the team bonding exercise and start throwing punches around, and I also don't see how Houllier was responsible for Dunne coming back from the summer the size of a branch of Tesco Express.It is also somehwat early to start trumpeting how your success reflects your happiness with the new management team. We're six or seven games in. Come back and triumphantly tell us when we're sixth after 26 games, not 6.Quote from: ozzjim on October 05, 2011, 10:24:36 PM I still reckon long term GED would have proved a better bet than Eck for progression. So do I. For all his failings, Houllier had started to at least try to get us playing football, to pass the ball around a bit. I'll give AM a chance to show us his ethos, but it'd be beyond depressing to have parted company with one "traditional" British style manager, gone through all the pain of the Houllier year, started to show some progression, to then regress to the less appealing aesthetics of the British game.
I still reckon long term GED would have proved a better bet than Eck for progression.
So now GH is to blame for our horrendous injury situation last season? Ridiculous. I'm with Eigentor/Walnuts/Gage on this one, too many players wanted to remain in the the comfort zone they were in under MON. Proper professionals, especially on the wages they are on, should have accepted the new manager's ideas and tried to adapt. GH wanted them to play a bit more football, wanted them to concentrate on training while at training rather than taking mobile calls or texting, and wanted them to work on their weaker areas. What a bastard eh? And for mere peanuts, it must have been sheer hell. Okay GH is hamfisted in his interpersonal skills as we could all see from his public outpourings, and he should have tried a more softly softly approach to changing things, but the players can't put all the blame on the ex-boss. All managers fall out with players - the much loved MON managed to fall out with several players he had (very expensively) signed himself, including coming to blows with one of them. Plus Warnock is mediocre anyway, and worth nowhere near the 8m we overpaid for him. Would much rather GH had stayed and shipped some of these wasters out.
Fair point Zoggy and maybe this had as much, if not more, to do with GH being let go than his health situation. GH and some senior players didn't get on, can't shift the senior players, then maybe you have to shift the manager and get someone in whose methods meet with their approval. Maybe it was a question of trying to get the best out of what you are stuck with. If so then ultimately that's another legacy of MON's contracts and wages mayhem.
Quote from: ktvillan on October 07, 2011, 01:25:16 PMFair point Zoggy and maybe this had as much, if not more, to do with GH being let go than his health situation. GH and some senior players didn't get on, can't shift the senior players, then maybe you have to shift the manager and get someone in whose methods meet with their approval. Maybe it was a question of trying to get the best out of what you are stuck with. If so then ultimately that's another legacy of MON's contracts and wages mayhem.That's exactly how I see it KT and I know it's early days but AM at least seems to be achieving this
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on October 07, 2011, 01:38:35 PMQuote from: ktvillan on October 07, 2011, 01:25:16 PMFair point Zoggy and maybe this had as much, if not more, to do with GH being let go than his health situation. GH and some senior players didn't get on, can't shift the senior players, then maybe you have to shift the manager and get someone in whose methods meet with their approval. Maybe it was a question of trying to get the best out of what you are stuck with. If so then ultimately that's another legacy of MON's contracts and wages mayhem.That's exactly how I see it KT and I know it's early days but AM at least seems to be achieving this Well the players, notably the rebels from last year, seem to like AM, but we've not had any real tests so far this season. So far so average and it remains to be seen whether AM is going to be a better option than GH. I just think it's shame if GH got the elbow partly because of a situation that was due to his predecessor's errors of judgement.
GH continuing in the same high pressure role as before was never really a runner following his second major healthcare.But I increasingly think that keeping him on in some capacity, as a co-ordinator, or Technical Director was an avenue that could have been explored further. We had to pay him the bulk of his huge salary when he departed anyroad. In purely cynical terms (and I know it sounds cynical when we are talking about a guy recovering from his type of illness) keeping him on might have actually given us something for our money.Perhaps giving him the remit of spotting and signing players, and being responsible for overall strategy and someone like a Sanchez Flores or a Laudrup being responsible for team selections and day to day training directly under him would have been the way to go. Continental coaches are used to having transfers and the like largely decided by someone else. They would tolerate it better than the typical British control freak manager.It would have been a departure for us, for sure. Going the European route. Definitely a gamble. But -who knows- it might have actually worked. I doubt it would have altered the cold, hard reality that 6th place is just about the best we could do, but you never know. If nothing else, there would have been a degree of excitement, perhaps a more progressive style of football and I doubt gates would have fallen away as drastically as they have.It would have also looked like a degree of continuity, and would have perhaps countered this recent notion that the board don't have a clue. Hindsight being 20/20 vision, and all that.
Ah yes, how triumphantly brilliant he was in the more directorial role being suggested on here.
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