Queens Park Rangers v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[hawkeye]

The problem is that it does not matter what team he selects it looks unbalanced because the squad looks unbalanced.
If you put all the players based on form, availability and the fact there are no suitable alternatives you still end up with a team of misfits.

[Apyadg]

The match was dire for most part, but an away match against a newly promoted team managed by Neil Warnock is never going to be pretty.

You say it like it was them that dragged the quality of the game down and wasted time, when it was the opposite. We looked like the promoted side for much of the game.

[Somniloquism]

It may have escaped you both but we've lost Young, Downing and NRC, our three best players last season. What do you think I should do, throw the towel in and give up? I prefer to support a team that shows battle and grit, basic, traditional Villa values. There was enough today in the second half to give hope that we can finally step up, despite the financial cut backs.

I also have confidence in Sid and especially Kevin McDonald to get us playing the right way, even with our restricted squad. I do wonder what would have been the response on here today if we'd won. My guess is some would have pissed off in a sulk.

Well for someone who was doing their nut when we bought Milner and others but had not bought a striker three seasons ago and appeared to give up posting on here when called against it, it does seem rich to moan about others doing the same when we are in a totally different and in most cases worst position then that time.

[eric woolban woolban]

Thought Neil Warnocks comments were about right

What did Colin say?

[Chris Smith]

We played some lovely pass and move stuff in the second half, that's what McLeish has been talking about for weeks so it's safe to assume that is how he wants us to play. What we now need to see is a performance like that from the start. For next week I'd start with the same team and  (if they're fit) give Bent and Jenas 20 minutes.

I've been very critical of Ireland in the past but he looked like a player today and helped link things together well. 

[Jockey Randall]

The match was dire for most part, but an away match against a newly promoted team managed by Neil Warnock is never going to be pretty.

You say it like it was them that dragged the quality of the game down and wasted time, when it was the opposite. We looked like the promoted side for much of the game.

To be fair if it was roles reversed and we were the home side, people on here would be seething with the amount they created. They looked completely toothless.

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

First half - er...we defended well? Everything else was shockingly bad.

Second half - what a difference. Ireland and Delph got forward, N'Zogbia showed signs of why we bought him and both full-backs had an attacking presence. We actually started to look adventurous and a good side.

AM should show the players that period in the second half to the players until it goes into their heads that they are capable of passing the ball and moving it around.

Friedel even commented at half-time that they are very good passers of the ball. Now we need to do it for longer periods, starting against a Wigan team who will not come to sit back and defend like most teams will at Villa Park, giving us the perfect opportunity to show we are capable of playing football that's interesting to watch.

Totally gutted about the last minute equaliser, but I ended the game with some new found hope for the season!

[Villanation]

The match was dire for most part, but an away match against a newly promoted team managed by Neil Warnock is never going to be pretty.

In the end it's a decent away point, but I fear that our lack of organization and composure will cost us against better teams. Sometimes effort isn't enough.

As for the Alex McLeish arguement: It seems as if the players work hard for him; he is probably a good motivator. Yet, the fact is that we are scrapping for draws against mediocre (at best) teams. He is yet to put out a team that looks like a coherent unit. I feel that the signs aren't too promising.

I think the point about scrapping for points is a good point, but think about this.

2nd half today the lads came out and looked an entirely different team, Stephen Ireland actually started to run, actually tracked back, we actually played some nice tight short passing game in parts , and we played with pace, we found openings, so my point would be, you include Cuellor, Clark, Bent, give games to Gardener, bring the pace of Jermaine Jenas into the midfield area's to link up with Gabby and Bent box to box and has McLiesh finally, maybe just found a formula that may work, put it this way, I think had Bent been playing today on the 2nd half performance we would have taken all the points, combine that with players coming back.

There is a team there, it all depends on how it develops, starting next week IMO.

[AV82EC]

Typical fucking villa!

[TonyD]

So based on consensus so far, Jenus will be in for Delph next game ?

And Clark for Stan.

[Greg N'Ash]

aye. we were lucky they had boothroyd up front. He makes Ivanhoe look dangerous

[Eigentor]

The match was dire for most part, but an away match against a newly promoted team managed by Neil Warnock is never going to be pretty.

You say it like it was them that dragged the quality of the game down and wasted time, when it was the opposite. We looked like the promoted side for much of the game.

To be fair if it was roles reversed and we were the home side, people on here would be seething with the amount they created. They looked completely toothless.

Yes, QPR was far from a threat. With a bit discipline and organization we could have easily avoided the equaliser. Yet we were in disarray, the end of the match was end-to-end when we should have been controlling. So when Collins lost a duel, Dunne was completely in the wrong position, running towards his own goal, and then we know what happens.

[andyh]

I don't think there was anything 'lovely' in that game.
3 or 4 decent passing movements in a 90 minute match ,for me does not constitute a brave new dawn.
Even the shittest teams have one or two movements in a game that are less shit than the rest of the time.

We have gone so far backwards, any semblence of anything decent is being exaggerated.

[Witton Warrior]

On reflection not a bad point and it pissed off a lot of the pundits who were itching for QPR to get a home win.
There seemed a couple of signs that we might be starting our campaign at last but the lack of creativity from Ireland (although he was "tidy") and N'zog (especially) is being slightly tempered by BB's emergence.
We certainly put it about today as well - was it 6 bookings?

[TonyD]

I don't think there was anything 'lovely' in that game.
3 or 4 decent passing movements in a 90 minute match ,for me does not constitute a brave new dawn.
Even the shittest teams have one or two movements in a game that are less shit than the rest of the time.

We have gone so far backwards, any semblence of anything decent is being exaggerated.

After the Bolton game any signs of improvement shouldn't be under estimated.   Today we saw a small glimmer of light of how the team can play.   (although taking Bannan off was plain fucking stupid)