Mcleish - 'I Accepted the challenge'

[taylorsworkrate]

There was quite an odd moment late on where Weimann and Albrighton? had the ball in the corner, then Weimann inexplicably crossed the ball into a QPR box containing zero Villa players.

I know he's inexperienced but that was stupid.

No he didn't .... he tried to win a corner off the QPR defenders legs and missed ....

Well he's crap then

[pauliewalnuts]

Getting back to the empty beer bottle debate. What I would like to know is why it's illegal to drink an alcoholic drink inside the viewing area of a football stadium in England, but at the Rugby World Cup in New Zealand (where national pride is at stake) you can drink to your hearts content in the so called viewing area.
Yet another nonsensical part of the Taylor Report. You can turn up for a game as pissed  as a fart but take an alcoholic drink into the 'viewing area' and you become a criminal. Thank you Mrs. Thatcher. 

Strictly speaking, isn't it an offence to enter a football ground whilst shit faced?

[PNB Army]

Getting back to the empty beer bottle debate. What I would like to know is why it's illegal to drink an alcoholic drink inside the viewing area of a football stadium in England, but at the Rugby World Cup in New Zealand (where national pride is at stake) you can drink to your hearts content in the so called viewing area.
Yet another nonsensical part of the Taylor Report. You can turn up for a game as pissed  as a fart but take an alcoholic drink into the 'viewing area' and you become a criminal. Thank you Mrs. Thatcher. 

Strictly speaking, isn't it an offence to enter a football ground whilst shit faced?

if you get caught you can get thrown out or refused entry

[glasses]

A decent manager would have come away with 3 points today

Yes, it was his fault that the linesman gave a goal kick instead of a corner and then from the resulting hoof we conceded an unlucky own goal.

but it was his fault that he made the substitutions and gave instructions to time wast at corners

Come off it, every team in the country would try to run down the clock when they get a corner in injury time defending a one nil away from home.

Whilst that is true Chris, I noticed that whilst that corner was being set up, and rightly we intended on keeping the ball there, the sky cameras cut to Eck, giving instructions, and gesturing 'seven'? Now there weren't seven minutes injury time, and I am no lip reader, so my best guess at what it meant, was to have seven men in our half for our corner. This decision is key IMO to how we failed to see the game out in injury time. It left three players up the pitch, attempting to hold onto the ball for nearly three minutes. It was just asking for trouble. We lost the ball, and from that attack, failed to deal with the hoof. We made no attempt to keep the ball from the corner and invited the pressure. I dont blame him entirely, as Collins and Hutton were more than capable of coping with said hoof, but I think this decision and instruction is key.

[Chris Smith]

I think you're making a big assumption there, Glasses. It might have meant keep 7 out of the area, Mark the number 7, the name of his favourite film etc.

[glasses]

More of an educated guess I'd say. I may need to see a replay myself, but there was Weimann and Albrighton in the corner, and one person in the box IIRC. Of course with TV angles and images, you don't see everything.

[Chris Jameson]

Whilst that is true Chris, I noticed that whilst that corner was being set up, and rightly we intended on keeping the ball there, the sky cameras cut to Eck, giving instructions, and gesturing 'seven'?

He's getting his predictions in early for the 'Guess the crowd' thread on H&V, won't be far off 7,000 from January onwards if that's the standard of football on offer. That was the worst game of football i've seen since watching 25 minutes of Watford v Forest on saturday which was fucking dire, no wonder there are so many empty seats at football matches these days.

[brian green]

I went to bed immediately after posting on here about the empty beer bottle.   I must admit to being unpleasantly surprised that I am in a minority of one feeling sympathy for the lad thrown out for having an empty plastic beer bottle in his pocket.

My son has a friend who is a barrister and a fanatical football fan.   I will ask his professional opinion whether the anti drinking of alcohol or the taking of alcohol into a viewing area law is breached if the bottle is empty and all the contents consumed legally.   My lay opinion is that a bottle of beer  becomes a bottle when the beer is consumed.   The young man whose name I obtained from his friends had the seat immediately in front of me.   I watched him and his mates come into the stand.   Never at any time did he drink from the bottle or take it from his pocket until he was approached by  steward who saw it.   The lad pulled it from his pocket when challenged and said "it's empty".   Unaware that it was their intention to eject him from the ground he said "will you throw it away for me?"   Then the health and safety bollocks kicked in  The lad obeyed them without complaint and left his seat seemingly still unaware that he was about to be ejected.   It was an absolutely ridiculous over reaction to at the very worst a minor transgression.

The reason I mentioned the coke and water bottles rolling about under the seats was to underscore the legality of having plastic bottles in the stand.   A beer bottle with no beer in it I submit is just another plastic bottle.

I sometimes think half the people who post on here are coppers, used to be coppers or want to be coppers.

[Chris Smith]

I agree with you, Brian, it's a sorry state of affairs when an empty bottle is sufficient to get you chucked out. I thought the rules said you can't consume alcohol within view of the pitch, which in itself is a hammer to smash a nut, so I'm struggling to think what the poor sod did wrong.

[Greg N'Ash]

I agree with you Brian, but i'm not sure that helps much ;0)

On another note i noticed AM was claiming in the mail that the players performance was effected by being "frightened of the fans expectations".

eh? I'm sorry Alex but we have lower expectations than we had for many a season. In fact most of us would be happy with mid-table mediocrity. Or maybe he means the expectations that our players can at least pass to each other.

[Bad English]

Fucking cockerney jobsworth!

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

I went to bed immediately after posting on here about the empty beer bottle.   I must admit to being unpleasantly surprised that I am in a minority of one feeling sympathy for the lad thrown out for having an empty plastic beer bottle in his pocket.

My son has a friend who is a barrister and a fanatical football fan.   I will ask his professional opinion whether the anti drinking of alcohol or the taking of alcohol into a viewing area law is breached if the bottle is empty and all the contents consumed legally.   My lay opinion is that a bottle of beer  becomes a bottle when the beer is consumed.   The young man whose name I obtained from his friends had the seat immediately in front of me.   I watched him and his mates come into the stand.   Never at any time did he drink from the bottle or take it from his pocket until he was approached by  steward who saw it.   The lad pulled it from his pocket when challenged and said "it's empty".   Unaware that it was their intention to eject him from the ground he said "will you throw it away for me?"   Then the health and safety bollocks kicked in  The lad obeyed them without complaint and left his seat seemingly still unaware that he was about to be ejected.   It was an absolutely ridiculous over reaction to at the very worst a minor transgression.

The reason I mentioned the coke and water bottles rolling about under the seats was to underscore the legality of having plastic bottles in the stand.   A beer bottle with no beer in it I submit is just another plastic bottle.

I sometimes think half the people who post on here are coppers, used to be coppers or want to be coppers.

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[Chris Smith]

I agree with you Brian, but i'm not sure that helps much ;0)

On another note i noticed AM was claiming in the mail that the players performance was effected by being "frightened of the fans expectations".

eh? I'm sorry Alex but we have lower expectations than we had for many a season. In fact most of us would be happy with mid-table mediocrity. Or maybe he means the expectations that our players can at least pass to each other.

Not everyone is as supportive as you, Greg. Some people are very quick to criticise and get on their backs.

[Greg N'Ash]

I agree with you Brian, but i'm not sure that helps much ;0)

On another note i noticed AM was claiming in the mail that the players performance was effected by being "frightened of the fans expectations".

eh? I'm sorry Alex but we have lower expectations than we had for many a season. In fact most of us would be happy with mid-table mediocrity. Or maybe he means the expectations that our players can at least pass to each other.

Not everyone is as supportive as you, Greg. Some people are very quick to criticise and get on their backs.

still, its a daft thing to say.  Most people are just expecting to survive, so if that level of expectation is frightening the players then god help us

[Chris Smith]

I think he means that 'some' people are quick to get on the back of players and that has an impact on confidence. Now, it's something that they're going to gave to learn to deal with but it can inhibit how they want to play and make them more likely to go for the safe option. I think this is what he's getting at when he says they need to toughen up.